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Title: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on January 17, 2017, 08:52:28 pm
Ex Peterborough dart 35104 (AE06WXP) broke down on London road whilst operating the 73.
A driver friend of mine told me that all the 53 reg darts will be withdrawn by the end of the year although he didn't say what would be replacing them
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: chopper on January 20, 2017, 07:08:02 pm
I travelled on the X5 today between St. Neots and Bedford. To my surprise the coach (54314) travelled direct from St Neots to Bedford on the A421 and not passing through Great Barford although scheduled to do so. I also noted another X5 going in the opposite direction taking the same route. Has anyone any idea why there is this deviation from the scheduled route?

In addition the the 14:56 from Bedford to Cambridge had St Neots in the destination panel. What it turned short perhaps?  I did notice a long tailback of traffic on the eastbound carriageway of the A421 stretching back from the Black Cat roundabout.

Any comments would be welcome. Thanks

Chris
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: TCD813 on January 20, 2017, 07:16:44 pm
I travelled on the X5 today between St. Neots and Bedford. To my surprise the coach (54314) travelled direct from St Neots to Bedford on the A421 and not passing through Great Barford although scheduled to do so. I also noted another X5 going in the opposite direction taking the same route. Has anyone any idea why there is this deviation from the scheduled route?
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Any comments would be welcome. Thanks

Chris

To be honest, Chris, I have no idea. It may be that there were two seriously delayed services, one  in each direction, taking the bypass to gain time, with the following service serving Great Barford. However, this is pure speculation on my part  I will be delighted for anybody to give an accurate and authoritative response to this.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: TCD813 on January 20, 2017, 07:29:37 pm
In addition the the 14:56 from Bedford to Cambridge had St Neots in the destination panel. What it turned short perhaps?  I did notice a long tailback of traffic on the eastbound carriageway of the A421 stretching back from the Black Cat roundabout.

Any comments would be welcome. Thanks

Chris

The destination display, Chris, is owing to the workaround which is used to register the X5 not as one route but a number of shorter routes, all with the same route number, in order to keep it under domestic regulation of drivers' hours rather than European regulation of drivers' hours.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: David Hancock on January 20, 2017, 07:51:36 pm
If you look at either twitter or the stagecoach East Service updates you will see that the road through both Gt Barford and Roxton Turn are closed on several dates. This might answer your question
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: chopper on February 09, 2017, 09:47:35 am
More oddities yesterday.

I caught the 14.22 X5 from St Nwots which was a double decker 19889. On arrival at Bedford it was switched with 54306 which was on the 14:50 Bedford- Cambridge. All passengers changed vehicles and 19889 returned to Cambridge as an X5.

Also odd was a single decker 35220 on the 15:37 Bedford - Kettering. Usually a double decker 35220 was full and standing leaving Bedford.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: chopper on February 09, 2017, 09:49:02 am
More oddities yesterday.

I caught the 14.22 X5 from St Nwots which was a double decker 19889. On arrival at Bedford it was switched with 54306 which was on the 14:50 Bedford- Cambridge. All passengers changed vehicles and 19889 returned to Cambridge as an X5.

Also odd was a single decker 35220 on the 15:37 Bedford - Kettering. Usually a double decker 35220 was full and standing leaving Bedford.



Edit: Moved from SiNothants (TCD813)
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: busman on February 09, 2017, 10:56:21 am
More oddities yesterday.

I caught the 14.22 X5 from St Nwots which was a double decker 19889. On arrival at Bedford it was switched with 54306 which was on the 14:50 Bedford- Cambridge. All passengers changed vehicles and 19889 returned to Cambridge as an X5.

Also odd was a single decker 35220 on the 15:37 Bedford - Kettering. Usually a double decker 35220 was full and standing leaving Bedford.
Some duties are operated by E400's running shorts between Cambridge & Bedford
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Julia_Hayward on February 09, 2017, 04:00:28 pm
The usual "shorts" are real shorts - the duty being just Bedford - Cambridge and back, but the E400s have been getting on to other runs at the moment along with the 536xx coaches. Are a few of the 54xxxs off the road?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on February 09, 2017, 06:30:54 pm
The usual "shorts" are real shorts - the duty being just Bedford - Cambridge and back, but the E400s have been getting on to other runs at the moment along with the 536xx coaches. Are a few of the 54xxxs off the road?
So that's why Darts have been on a few duties on the 1 recently.
The Elite's haven't been very reliable. They seem to have been a problem from day one Whilst the Enviro 400's are probably the best in Bedford's fleet. shame there's only 6 of them
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Julia_Hayward on February 09, 2017, 07:28:00 pm
I've had a number of drivers moaning about the doors on the Elites - are they any worse than the older coaches?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Habbinman on February 09, 2017, 08:09:17 pm
I've had a number of drivers moaning about the doors on the Elites - are they any worse than the older coaches?
Its to do with the design of the door.....They are Plug Doors ! For the door to work & close correctly, the vehicle MUST be standing level transversely across the front !! The design is for the door to close to, in a flush fit & then to lift slightly to secure itself on the doorpost lugs. However, if the vehicle is leaning into the gutter with the road camber, it won't close properly as it has positioning sensors, which trigger the door to re-open. It does this to prevent the door closing incorrectly & buckling out of shape. Unfortunately, until the door closes correctly, you cannot move the vehicle, as it isolates the gears & holds the brakes on !! The remedy is to get out of the seat & pull the door gently, to fit flush, as it is closing...it will then secure properly !!. Unfortunately, if the drivers are not trained properly on these doors, they won't know how to overcome any problems ?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Habbinman on February 09, 2017, 08:28:26 pm
Ex Peterborough dart 35104 (AE06WXP) broke down on London road whilst operating the 73.
A driver friend of mine told me that all the 53 reg darts will be withdrawn by the end of the year although he didn't say what would be replacing them
Well, all I can say is that they'll replace the 51-reg MANs first. Most of them are well past their sell-by-date !! In fact, all the ones (of that batch) that went to Manchester have all now been Withdrawn, by them ! Not saying your friend is wrong, but most drivers just repeat what they hear on the "rumour mill" & that, whilst I worked (in a Supervisory Role) for Stagecoach, was usually absolutely miles out !!
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: SteveHFC on February 09, 2017, 09:18:36 pm
One of the 51-reg MAN's (22318) was plying it's trade on the 99 this afternoon - was on the 1300 departure from Milton Keynes. The reliability of the coaches on the X5 and 99 seems to have been much better this winter so far as appearances of buses on the 99 have been few and far between.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Julia_Hayward on February 22, 2017, 06:15:42 pm
A driver on an X5 Elite told me they have six off the road today. As one has just sat down at Midsummer Common with steering problems, I guess it's seven now...
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: skyLink on February 22, 2017, 06:40:43 pm
A driver on an X5 Elite told me they have six off the road today. As one has just sat down at Midsummer Common with steering problems, I guess it's seven now...

bring back thunder bird KSU461
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on February 22, 2017, 08:33:23 pm
A driver on an X5 Elite told me they have six off the road today. As one has just sat down at Midsummer Common with steering problems, I guess it's seven now...
These have to be the least reliable coaches ever to be used on the route
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Habbinman on February 24, 2017, 06:15:04 pm
These have to be the least reliable coaches ever to be used on the route
Maybe, BUT have you ever considered the daily mileage these vehicles are clocking up ?? Some of them are doing upwards of 300 miles on a daily basis. I'm not sure if one or two actually do 3 round trips Cambridge to Oxford per day, BUT that would be about 480 miles total daily !! Just think what the Annual Mileage could be ?? Somewhere around 24,000 miles !!
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Julia_Hayward on February 24, 2017, 06:18:58 pm
But surely coaches should be designed on the assumption they will take a hammering?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Steves on February 24, 2017, 08:52:02 pm
Is it the sort of work that they do? National Express use Volvos and they are quite reliable although I think NX only bought Scanias for their in house ops.  The NX coaches clock up the miles but they don't operate start stop the way the X5 does.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: TCD813 on February 24, 2017, 09:36:06 pm
Is it the sort of work that they do? National Express use Volvos and they are quite reliable although I think NX only bought Scanias for their in house ops.  The NX coaches clock up the miles but they don't operate start stop the way the X5 does.

Well, yes. The X5 speeds for 30-odd miles à la NatEx, then becomes the village bus for the next 20+ miles, where the local paysans board with a cage-full of chickens in the hold (or half-a-dozen Aldi/Lidl/Tesco carrier-bags) and every boarding passenger assumes it's de rigeur to negotiate the best possible bargain fare. (Discount for cash?) And then resumes the NatEx dash mode.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Habbinman on February 24, 2017, 09:37:34 pm
But surely coaches should be designed on the assumption they will take a hammering?
Not necessarily ! Take Tour Coaches like Shearings...the first & last days of a tour they get fast running & long distances, but whilst on the actual tour the usage is more relaxed..drive here, drive there with a 2-hour stop etc. National Express is more One-stop (per Town/City) with longer inter-urban running at better cruising speeds (motorways/dual carriageways). The X5 is very intensive non-motorway & very stop/start with vehicles working up to 18/20 hours a day.

Unfortunately, manufacturers don't really design them as an (almost round the clock) intensive workhorse to be used by Companies like Stagecoach. They are really designed to cater for Tour/Leisure Market Coach Operators such as Saffords, Robinsons, Richmonds, Dews, Kenzies etc. Its not been unknown for these Companies to keep coaches in tip-top condition for 15-20 years & more!!  Oddly enough, & thinking more about it, Stagecoach are the Only Major Big 5 Bus Group to use coaches on such work, if I'm correct !?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Habbinman on February 24, 2017, 09:44:45 pm
Is it the sort of work that they do? National Express use Volvos and they are quite reliable although I think NX only bought Scanias for their in house ops.  The NX coaches clock up the miles but they don't operate start stop the way the X5 does.
The various contractors on Nat Exp work can specify either Volvo or Scania for their coaches, mainly with Caetano Levante bodies. Both chassis are accepted by Nat Exp as part of their Contract Standards & Specifications Agreements.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on April 15, 2017, 06:44:36 pm
Whilst looking through pics on flickr I came across this photo taken by Stan Butler of ex Bedford dart 34431 (KV53EZH) at one of the Barnsley scrap yards.
Is this the first of the batch of 26 to be scrapped? The remaining ones at Bedford are past their best at nearly 14 years old but keep struggling on

https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/33222347223/
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Habbinman on April 16, 2017, 01:13:41 pm
Whilst looking through pics on flickr I came across this photo taken by Stan Butler of ex Bedford dart 34431 (KV53EZH) at one of the Barnsley scrap yards.
Is this the first of the batch of 26 to be scrapped? The remaining ones at Bedford are past their best at nearly 14 years old but keep struggling on

https://www.flickr.com/photos/61188429@N06/33222347223/
Before going for scrap, it was recently at Stagecoach West, after it had been transferred there from Bedford, some time ago.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Tony on May 17, 2017, 09:57:49 pm
seen in Cambridge on May 15 was Bedford Bus branded 19893 operating the 1210 X5 departure towards Oxford, would this have got swapped out at Bedford?
Cheers in advance for any info
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Steves on May 22, 2017, 10:56:35 pm
54312 seemed to have failed at Northampton Street, Cambridge this evening.  I saw it at about 9pm but it probably failed sometime earlier as there was a large wrecker approaching. I did not have time to wait to watch was happened.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: katieloulou on June 28, 2017, 07:49:39 pm
Not sure what was going on in Bedford this morning (28th June), but there were two ALX400 tridents (18419 and 18423) on the 1 together with one of the MANs... Meanwhile one of the 5 E400s, normally on the 1 was seen on the 9!
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on June 29, 2017, 02:44:35 pm
Dart 35106 (AE06WXS) on the 1 instead of an Enviro 400.
Kings Lynn's Enviro 300 27642 (GX10HBU) is parked in the yard at Bedford depot. Is this a transfer in? Can't be here for repaint as that was only done last year
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on July 14, 2017, 06:34:56 pm
Enviro 400's 19888 and 19892 (AE11FUD/J) escaped the 1 for the 81 and 42 respectively their places on the 1 taken up by Tridents 18057 (AE53TZJ) and one other I forgot to note down. Usually this happens when the ever unreliable elites breakdown and the Enviro's cover on the X5

Kings Lynn's Enviro 300 27642 (GX10HBU) remains dumped in the yard at Bedford depot next to withdrawn darts 34423 (KV53EYZ) and 34479 (PX53DKF). It's been in the same place for 2 weeks now and had its headlight surrounds removed
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on July 25, 2017, 04:19:04 pm
There are two repainted Enviro 200's parked by the doors at Bedford depot. I couldn't see the fleet or reg numbers.
Are these Dart/MAN replacements or just passing throught the paint shop for elsewhere?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on July 25, 2017, 07:47:56 pm
first one is Bedford training dart 34419(KV53EYU)
2nd one Bedford 08 plate  E200
talking about dart and mans replacements any idea
what will come down  from Cambridge when the new E400 arrive.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on August 13, 2017, 06:49:08 pm
kings lynn Enviro 300 27642 (GX10 HBU) still parked at Bedford depot
is this going to be a transfer eventually.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on August 13, 2017, 07:16:25 pm
Been parked with the withdrawn darts for weeks now. Must be something wrong with it
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on August 18, 2017, 06:18:30 pm
Cambridge Enviro 400 19578 (AE10BWL) parked at Bedford depot presumably here for repaint.
Optare solo's 47341 (KX06TYK and 47353 (AE06TWU) both on the 9 covering for darts. 47341 was full and standing on a busy route that could really do with deckers
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on August 19, 2017, 11:32:49 am
iam afraid the 9 gets anything that's got wheels.
hopefully the new deckers arriving at Cambridge]
will cascade some deckers to Bedford .
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Julia_Hayward on August 19, 2017, 02:37:46 pm
Still hoping for a couple of the 154xx Scanias to head over to Bedford and be used as X5 substitutes instead of 19888-93!
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: AE51VFX (Jonny) on August 21, 2017, 06:08:12 pm
iam afraid the 9 gets anything that's got wheels.
hopefully the new deckers arriving at Cambridge]
will cascade some deckers to Bedford .

From Steve Knight Media Site.

http://www.stevenknightmedia.com/fleet-news-ramblings

✤Stagecoach East
the company has confirmed that the 16 Enviro 400MMCs due later this year (10866-81) are for Peterborough and are expected to oust older Enviro 400s used on the Citi 1 service, which in turn will allow a cascade allowing the replacement of some the older Tridents in the fleet. However, the planned upgrade of the Bedford-based 99 fleet and the 99/X5 spare fleet with new Volvo B11R coaches during the 2017/18 financial year is not now due to take place.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on August 21, 2017, 07:38:23 pm
It seems stagecoach have no interest in investing in Bedford. 50 vehicles in the fleet are between 11 and 16 years old.
Most of Grant Palmers smart fleet puts it to shame
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on August 22, 2017, 07:22:09 pm
i agreed Bedford seam to be the poor relation in stagecoach east
interesting to see what happens the 06 darts and optares need replacing
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on August 22, 2017, 07:44:15 pm
it's the MAN's that need to go first especially 22314 (AE51 RYO) with it's interesting sounding diff
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: skyLink on August 22, 2017, 09:40:59 pm
it's the MAN's that need to go first especially 22314 (AE51 RYO) with it's interesting sounding diff
That's fine it's only had it since the old days of the Citi 7 from cottenham to saffron Walden . 😂
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on September 09, 2017, 05:00:58 pm
Optare Solo 47353 (AE06TWU) covering for a Dart/Man on a crowded 6
Volvo B9R 53612 (KX58NCE) being towed away from Bedford by a CMG wrecker. Does anyone know where this is heading?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Coast_Hopper on September 09, 2017, 08:32:55 pm
it's the MAN's that need to go first especially 22314 (AE51 RYO) with it's interesting sounding diff

It will probably be the 2006 Darts going first, Stagecoach dont seem to like them anymore, they seem to be selling the 2004 and 2005 Darts and keeping the MANs
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Coast_Hopper on September 09, 2017, 08:34:39 pm
i agreed Bedford seam to be the poor relation in stagecoach east
interesting to see what happens the 06 darts and optares need replacing

They might transfer or swap some with Kings Lynn in the new year namely the Enviro 300s and the 15 plate Solo SRs
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on September 10, 2017, 11:26:33 am
Bedford have 35 buses 55/06/56  plates.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on September 10, 2017, 04:32:58 pm
Bedford have 35 buses 55/06/56  plates.
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Also 13 buses on 51/53/04 plates

So that's 48 that will need replacing in the next couple of years. Probably with cascades
The MAN's need to go asap,  they're all knackered though I would think Peterborough's MAN's will get replaced before Bedford's
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on September 10, 2017, 05:39:24 pm
Bedford, the home of the older bus.
it would be a shock it they got any new ones.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Palatine One on September 10, 2017, 05:49:52 pm
Bedford, the home of the older bus.
it would be a shock it they got any new ones.

Bedford depot did end up with some brand new E400s and E200s a few years ago, that said.
I would assume that the level of return some services make doesn't justify investment in anything brand new? The X5 seems to be the only route Bedford run that has a business case for new vehicles.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on September 10, 2017, 07:06:27 pm
Bedford depot did end up with some brand new E400s and E200s a few years ago, that said.
I would assume that the level of return some services make doesn't justify investment in anything brand new? The X5 seems to be the only route Bedford run that has a business case for new vehicles.

I believe you assume wrong. Bedford town services 1,2 6 and 9 are very well used.
The 06 plate darts were new for the then Mars branded routes now 71/72 and 73 to Hitchin and Biggleswade all of which are well used as is the 81 to Luton

I regularly use the 53 which despite competition from Uno on part of the route can fill an Enviro 200 in the morning sometimes I don't get a seat.

The 3, 4, 8 and 10 I would agree don't justify new vehicles. Those routes only got new solos back in 2006 because the council bought them. I don't know if they still own them or if stagecoach own them now

The 42 has Grant Palmer for competition who puts stagecoach to shame with his brand new Enviro 200's bought last year compared to stagecoach and their elderly 53 reg darts
Grant Palmers 42 and 44 take in the withdrawn parts of the old stagecoach route J1/144

I'm not saying Bedford should get everything brand new but it does deserve more investment than it gets
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: John on September 14, 2017, 12:43:02 am
X5 apart, it does seem that since Bedford was divorced from United Counties control at Northampton, and put into the new Stagecoach East it seems to loose out to the Busway and Cambridge in terms of investment. I suppose it is lower in the pecking order compared to when the depot was part of UCOC.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on September 18, 2017, 05:44:36 pm
Solo 47341 (KX06TYK) and Dart 34825 (KX06LNV) both on the 1 instead of Enviro 400's with the solo being jam packed

Enviro 400 19889 (AE11FUF) AND Trident 18418 (AE06GZP) both on the 53 instead of Enviro 200's

Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on September 19, 2017, 08:23:59 pm
Man 22317 (AE51RYT) on the park and ride 2 tonight.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on September 22, 2017, 09:23:43 pm
Dart 34428 (KV53EZE), Enviro 200 36934 (SN63KFO) and Tridents 18416/24 (AE06GZN/W) all on the 1 instead of Enviro 400's

Enviro 400's 19888/89/92 (AE11FUD/F/J) on  the 53, 73 and 9 instead of the 1

Jam packed Solo 47341 (KX06TYK) on the 9

There was another packed solo on the 6 as well which I can't remember which one.

They should put the solos on the 51 and release the 2 darts from that service if they're short of darts in my opinion as it used to be run with Mercedes 709D's which had similar seating capaciity. They're clearly too small for the busy 6 and 9

very odd workings today

 
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on September 27, 2017, 02:15:54 pm
Bedford has been a free for all for quite some time using anything on any service. I use routes 9 and 6 to get to and from work and going back to the days of Olympians I could have an oly on the 0817 9 to Shortstown and the following day it could be a solo on the same service. There was never any particular pattern to it. Route 9 has four diagrams and often each diagram can be a different type of vehicle for example a solo, dart, MAN and trident all out at the same time. The route did have a reputation for getting the older stuff on it such as olys and the B10 BLE's 21160-166. Even 14000 used to get a few outings on the 9 when they were short which incidentally, "Nessie" was on Bedford depot earlier this week. I assume it will return to Ely for storage. Having said that they have been short of buses on the 9 as one morning last week there were only two buses out on the route with two missing presumably hoping the public wouldn't notice.

My work move yesterday was 47441 and 36042 on the 6 and 47435 home on the 9. This year I have had 47341, 47351, 47352, 47353, 47354, 47435, 47436, 47437, 47438, 47439, 47441, 47442 on routes 5/6 and 9. Back on 9 May 47341 was out and about on route 1 at lunchtime the same week as one went to Luton on the 81. It looks like the mantra is it's a bus to work the service so use it and don't argue about suitability for the number of passengers on the route. Working the other way 18057 made a guest appearance on the late running 1820 10 on 18 September which is a real novelty for a double decker.

The trouble with using solo's on the 5,6 and 9 routes is they can't operate the bus station doors so they all have to use bay 12 which has an opening gate for the public to use to get on the bus. The other issue is passengers missing the service if they don't notice their bus is in the end bay and the driver doesn't get out of his or her vehicle to tell them!

I gather Bedford will be getting some cast off E400's shortly from the batch 19693-705 divided between Bedford and Kings Lynn. I assume they will find their way onto route 1 as the promise of using only double deckers on that route has been broken this year with solos, Man's, darts and E200's all making regular appearances.

It appears the E400's now cover all routes as I have seen them on the 2, 5, 6, 9, 40, 42, 51, 53, 71, 73 and 81 not to mention the X5 which this morning saw 19890 on the 0926 X5 to Cambridge whilst 19893 was on the 51. 19891 was on the 0926 X5 at the beginning of the month with 19888 and 19892 also making X5 appearances in August. This suggests they want the E400's hovering around the bus station in case they are required for the X5 rather than being out on route 1 and unavailable to use at short notice.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on September 27, 2017, 07:09:21 pm
Ex Peterborough Enviro 400 19700 (AE60JRZ) on the 1 still with 'Citi' branding inside and out

Considering Trident 18423 (AE06GZV) still has Huntingdonshire fleet names years after transfer  and Enviro 200's 36041-45 (AE08NVR/S/T/V) still have 'Welcome aboard Cambridge citi' inside. How long will it take Bedford to rebrand it?
Place your bets now!
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on September 27, 2017, 07:46:10 pm
bedford have got to many solos and need replace the 3 spares with larger buses
lets hope we get about 9 deckers from Peterborough.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on September 27, 2017, 07:59:26 pm
The oldest Tridents are likely to go with the arrival of the cascaded Enviros 18109 (KX04RVL) has been in the depot looking sorry for its self for days.
Wouldn't be surprised to see the presidents 18057/58/60 (AE53TZJ/K/M) as they're 'non standard'.  I think Hull are the only other depot that has President bodied Tridents which are ex Manchester
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on September 28, 2017, 12:57:20 pm
Bedford could do with retaining the tridents to increase the fleet size which might prevent solo's from doing routes they are unsuited for. If Bedford loses as many buses as it gains E400's and the fleet size remains as it is then nothing will change. My journey home on the 1817 9 last night with 47442 was a hideous wedge. This morning 47353 took me to work on the 6 after arriving in on a 5 resembling a sardine can.

The common user approach with the E400's continue as 19893 did the 1815 Northampton 41 last night so a new route to add to my sightings for the year. This morning it found itself on the 0915 81 whilst 19891 performed on the 0905 Biggleswade 73 leaving 18423 to work a 1. If 19893 stays out all day on this diagram I assume it will appear on other routes like the 42 and 51.

Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: a.williams on September 28, 2017, 05:55:19 pm
 19700 on the way to Bedford if not already there
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on September 29, 2017, 12:45:31 pm
I haven't seen any sign of 19700 yet but a farce with 19701 ensured I was late for work this morning. It was poised to work the 0915 51 Oakley service but the driver advised that the bells weren't working so we should shout when we wanted to get off. Nice to know that we have received a defective bus. One minute before departure the inspector turned up and the driver mentioned the bell fault so he was ordered to park up 19701 and use 47438 instead ignoring 19889 parked up spare. So a great start for the new arrival. By the time this was sorted it was 0922 so I decided to do the 0923 6 as it stops outside my work entrance unlike the 51 which is a 5 minute uphill walk. This proved a big mistake as the 0923 was fresh air so I had to do the 0935 6 arriving at work 10 minutes late.

Meanwhile 19888 had done the 0845 73 and 19893 was in the bay for the 0944 42 continuing it's rural adventures.

Thursday evening produced a turn up for the books as 19891 was turfed out to do an 11 to Great Denham which is the first time I have witnessed a double deck on the route. I assume it was the 1740 running 26 minutes late as it departed at 1806. Incidentally 19087 was on the 1805 50 to Kettering.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 02, 2017, 02:20:55 pm
Having waited ages to witness a DD on the 11 until last week I didn't have to wait long for a second sighting with 18419 doing the 0930 to Great Denham this morning.

The normal traffic congestion was further enhanced in Manton Lane with the traffic lights out of action and a broken down car on the school crossing making route 6 a bit of a lottery.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 06, 2017, 12:59:58 pm
Bay L at Bedford bus station is still in high demand. Yesterday afternoon three solos on routes 2, 5 and 9 were all queued up waiting for the 1415 81 to depart as it is the only bay the solos can use because of the gate entrance which then makes each service late. I had this farce this morning as my 0911 6 to work was 47341 but it couldn't use the bay until the 0915 81 had departed so consequently we left 5 minutes late. One marvels at creating a refurbished bus station which does not allow solos to operate the sliding doors particularly when the solos are quite a big part of Bedford's fleet.

Meanwhile whilst solos prevailed on routes 2, 5 and 9 at 1415 yesterday, solo route 11 produced 18060 on the 1400. Also recent arrivals 19700 and 19701 sat side by side in bays C and D with 19700 doing the late 1435 41 to Stagsden (in the timetable) but Bromham on the blind and 19701 on the 1454 53. In fact 19700 was on the 0944 42 both Wednesday and Thursday.

18190 worked the 0932 50 to Kettering Thursday and this morning.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: TCD813 on October 06, 2017, 01:14:02 pm
Are Stagecoach East losing their mojo?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: SteveHFC on October 06, 2017, 05:27:51 pm
99 branded coach 53615 was on the X5 today, on the 1150 departure from MK towards Oxford.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on October 07, 2017, 01:28:03 pm
19694 ex.peterborough  now  parked in Bedford depot.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 07, 2017, 02:14:35 pm
19694 ex.peterborough  now  parked in Bedford depot.
I think 19694 is a King's Lynn vehicle now which is at Bedford for repaint
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on October 07, 2017, 05:15:48 pm
does anybody how many deckers are coming from p/boro. to bedford
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 08, 2017, 01:23:53 pm
does anybody how many deckers are coming from p/boro. to bedford
I believe it will be eight  - 19698-19705, 19693-97 will also visit Bedford in the near future for repaint
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on October 08, 2017, 05:19:50 pm
I believe it will be eight  - 19698-19705, 19693-97 will also visit Bedford in the near future for repaint
What will will these replace?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 09, 2017, 12:44:42 pm
I'm hoping the new arrivals are not replacing anything to stop the infestation of solos on all town routes.

19891 did the 0845 73 this morning whilst 19890 was out on the 9's. Kettering's 19087 did the 0932 50.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on October 17, 2017, 07:51:14 pm
19704 (AE60 JSY) on the 1s tonight.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on October 18, 2017, 07:15:31 pm
Another Enviro 400 in from Peterborough is 19702 (AE60JSV). It was on th 81 this evening
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 19, 2017, 12:49:11 pm
19702 was on routes 5 and 6 this morning whilst 19701 was on the 1. The 0932 50 produced 19108 whilst I suffered 47440 to work on the 6.

Last week 19888 and 19893 were both viewed on route 11.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 23, 2017, 12:39:14 pm
My first sighting this morning of 19698 on the 0915 73 to Biggleswade with 19702 out on the 1's. The customary trident on the 0915 81 produced 18419.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Wolsztyn on October 24, 2017, 02:25:42 pm
19703 seen heading west along A1139 in Peterborough towards A1. Bedford bound, didn't look like a Peterborough driver driving it.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on October 24, 2017, 11:12:53 pm
The worst of the MAN's 22314 (AE51RYO) has been parked up at the back of the yard at Bedford depot looking to have been withdrawn.
This has been sounding awful for quite sometime so not a great surprise.
The question is how long have both Bedford and Peterborough's MAN's got left in service and what will replace them. At 16 years old they really are showing their age now


Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 25, 2017, 09:46:45 am
Most of the Peterborough MANs have been through repaint this summer. I believe they will be around for at least another year and will then be 'upgraded' with cascaded MAN/Enviro 300s.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 25, 2017, 01:58:35 pm
No sooner had I said that the 0915 81 always gets a trident when yesterday it was 19891 presumably because there was no trident spare at the bus station. 19893 and 47440 were out on the 9's with 18060 on the 5/6 circuit.

Happily this morning 18423 did do the 0915 81 so back on track. Shortstown was renamed Shortchanged this morning with only two vehicles noted instead of four on route 9. Normally only one bus goes awol but despite the lack of traffic with the schools being off Stagecoach managed to lose two. Hard to fathom when 18057 and 18058 have apparently gone into reserve sitting motionless on the depot whilst our 12 minute frequency became every 24 minutes! Presumably the thought process is that us passengers are dumb and won't notice missing vehicles. Which reminds me yesterday the 0911 6 to Brickhill was fresh air for the second time this month which was meant to be my chariot to work. Perhaps they nicked the bus to work the 9 route.

Luckily this morning Kettering remembered to send 19108 to Bedford for the 0932 50 otherwise a missing bus would leave a 2 hour gap...

Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on October 27, 2017, 10:02:15 am
Enviro 400 19703 (AE60JSX) has now arrived from Peterborough and was on the 5 yesterday evening.
Just 19699 (AE60JRX) and 19705 (AE60JSZ) to come now.
Tridents 18057/58 (AE53TZJ/K) and 18109 (KX04RVL) are out of use at Bedford depot
18109 has probably done galactic mileage due it being new for Kettering's X4 before transfer here
I'd have kept all three in service and got rid of the knackered MAN's instead
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 27, 2017, 10:47:43 am
Enviro 400 19703 (AE60JSX) has now arrived from Peterborough and was on the 5 yesterday evening.
Just 19699 (AE60JRX) and 19705 (AE60JSZ) to come now.
Tridents 18057/58 (AE53TZJ/K) and 18109 (KX04RVL) are out of use at Bedford depot
18109 has probably done galactic mileage due it being new for Kettering's X4 before transfer here
I'd have kept all three in service and got rid of the knackered MAN's instead

19705 still in service at Peterborough this morning (27-10-2017). I believe that 19699 is currently on MOT and will then be transferred to Bedford.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 27, 2017, 01:31:53 pm
Yesterday at approximately 1330 during my lunch break 19890 appeared on an X5 destined for Cambridge presumably the 1100 from Oxford as it came in from Bromham Road. 19704 was parked up, 18418 was on an 11 and 18101 the 1332 50 whilst 18060 was on a 9. This morning 18418 was on the 9's and 18416 on the 0915 81 whilst 18423 was in another bay also blinded for the 81 so I assume that was an arrival.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 30, 2017, 01:21:38 pm
I only required 2 minutes at the junction of Elstow and London Roads this morning to view all four vehicles on route 9 as the first day of schools brought back the static traffic syndrome. 34428 and 19701 were in tandem heading for the bus station whilst 19704 was followed by 18418 en route to Shortstown. As I just missed the two buses going into town I estimated it would be another 25 minutes before 19704 got back so opted to walk as once more the 12 minute intervals was the stuff of fantasy. Rather than go to work on the MAN on the 6 I did 18104 on the 50 as an alternative  to reaching the office.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on October 31, 2017, 12:55:12 pm
Going home yesterday saw no improvement on the 9's. 18419 on the 6 deposited me in the bus station but all 12 bays were devoid of any buses at the busy time of 1730 once the trident left on the 5. The 1717 9 apparently didn't show and it was the same with the 1729 so it appeared the vehicles were still going around in pairs like in the morning. I thought at least I would score 19704 for a ride on the 1741 as that was the diagram it had been on but instead 18416 turned up. Presumably 19704 was running so late that a driver change prompted a vehicle swap earlier in the day. There is no point to a timetable in the busy periods but it will only get worse with a growing population so I don't know what the answer is to the traffic chaos.

This morning saw two Solos, a MAN and a Trident on the four 9 diagrams whereas yesterday morning we had three double decks out. It really is a pick and mix route you never know what will turn up from one day to the next as if the allocations are done using a lucky dip method. Like yesterday I just missed two vehicles heading into town and reasoned that I would have a long wait for 47440 and 18419 to return from Shortstown so I walked again. I then had to put up with 47441 on the 6 to work noting 19698 on the 0915 81 with 19890 also blinded for Luton presumably the 1015 vehicle.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on November 04, 2017, 04:28:42 pm
ex.Peterborough Enviro 400 19698(AE60JRV) on the 1s this afternoon.
no sign of 19699 and 19705 yet.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on November 04, 2017, 04:57:36 pm
ex.Peterborough Enviro 400 19698(AE60JRV) on the 1s this afternoon.
no sign of 19699 and 19705 yet.
Both still in Peterborough at the moment
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on November 13, 2017, 01:12:09 pm
Wandering aimlessly through Bedford bus station on Saturday afternoon I did catch a glimpse of 19705 in service. I think it was on a 1 but didn't pay much attention to it. The arrival of these vehicles has seen them become more common on the 0915 81 now instead of tridents. Today 19703 worked this service whilst 19701 left before it on a 72. Unfortunately the new recruits have done nothing to ease the solo suffering on route 9 as I endured 47438 this morning on my way to work. Give me 18057 / 058 any day in preference...
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on November 14, 2017, 01:00:17 pm
19702 did the 0915 81 today whilst 19701 performed on the 0905 72 for the second day running. I think 19891 followed it on a 73 but only glanced at it as I was distracted by 35104 on the 0912 1 to Kempston instead of a dd.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on November 14, 2017, 06:53:48 pm
I was one of the standing passengers on 35104 (AE06WXP) on the 1 this evening. This route is normally and should be run with Enviro 400's. Darts are too small in the peaks.

Still no sign of 19699 (AE60JRX). All the other expected transfers from Peterborough have now arrived and all still carry 'citi' branding inside and out
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Habbinman on November 14, 2017, 07:25:09 pm
I was one of the standing passengers on 35104 (AE06WXP) on the 1 this evening. This route is normally and should be run with Enviro 400's. Darts are too small in the peaks.

Still no sign of 19699 (AE60JRX). All the other expected transfers from Peterborough have now arrived and all still carry 'citi' branding inside and out
Could possibly be an MOT candidate ??? If so, Stagecoach would require Peterborough to do it, before a transfer, as its the normal procedure
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: dennisdart on November 14, 2017, 08:02:30 pm
Could possibly be an MOT candidate ??? If so, Stagecoach would require Peterborough to do it, before a transfer, as its the normal procedure

19699 was still in service in Peterborough today (Tuesday)
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on November 15, 2017, 01:54:04 pm
I was one of the standing passengers on 35104 (AE06WXP) on the 1 this evening. This route is normally and should be run with Enviro 400's. Darts are too small in the peaks.

Still no sign of 19699 (AE60JRX). All the other expected transfers from Peterborough have now arrived and all still carry 'citi' branding inside and out

I seem to recall that when route 2 became park and ride instead of going to Kempston that a pledge was made at the time that the remaining route 1 frequency would increase using double decks to also cover the old part of route 2. I have it in mind that there was an article in the Beds on Sunday, where a Stagecoach spokesman, promised double decks because prior to the changes the two routes used single decks so with only one route remaining the extra capacity was required for covering two routes. I am prepared to be corrected that I imagined the article as time fades the memory but certainly this year single decks have been a frequent sight compared to previous years.

This morning saw a trident fight back with 18419 on the 0915 81 and 18060 on the 0915 73. 19698 sat spare, 19701 was on a 51, 19704 on the 5 / 6 and 19705 on the 1.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on November 16, 2017, 01:02:26 pm
Another trident on the 0915 81 today with 18423 having the honours but the 0915 73 was back to one of the new arrivals 19702. Also 19700 was out on the 5 / 6 circuit. A solo pursued by a MAN were leaving the town centre on 9's so someone could expect a 25 minute fester in the gap in service waiting for their bus to turn up.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Julia_Hayward on November 23, 2017, 05:52:25 pm
It was inevitable that the AE60- Tridents would start appearing on the X5, the first one I've noted was 19705 on the short evening turn today (the corresponding morning turn was a native example).
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on November 23, 2017, 06:49:00 pm
It was inevitable that the AE60- Tridents would start appearing on the X5, the first one I've noted was 19705 on the short evening turn today (the corresponding morning turn was a native example).
These could all do with a repaint and removal of 'citi' branding inside and out. The 08 reg Enviro 200's still welcome you aboard 'Cambridge citi' too.
Native Enviro 400's 19888-93 could do with painting as well, The rears in particular are looking very faded.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on November 23, 2017, 08:22:32 pm
as enviro 400 19699 appeared at Bedford yet
or is it still in sevices at Peterborough.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: AE51VFX (Jonny) on November 23, 2017, 09:31:50 pm
as enviro 400 19699 appeared at Bedford yet
or is it still in sevices at Peterborough.

19699 was not in service today at Peterborough so could be getting ready for the move to Bedford.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Steven Knight Media on November 24, 2017, 09:23:37 am
19699 was not in service today at Peterborough so could be getting ready for the move to Bedford.

It is ready for transfer, if not moved already. It was retained at Peterborough pending the return of a Dart from repaint
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on November 24, 2017, 06:19:07 pm
Enviro 400 19699 (AE60JRX) has now arrived from Peterborough and was on the 1 today

Also in from Cambridge is Enviro 200 37214 (SN64OKM) which was on the 73. This has transferred here instead of Fenstanton.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on November 24, 2017, 07:22:11 pm
also parked in the backyard Cambridge training dart 34422(KV53EYY).
trident 18417 now parked up for several weeks and looks like it may be  being scraped.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: katieloulou on November 25, 2017, 09:09:18 am
Is 19592 another arrival from Cambridge? Seen on the 1 this morning. 37214 also on the 73 circuit again.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on November 25, 2017, 04:39:39 pm
Dart 34882 (AE06HAO) is on loan from Peterborough and was on the 81. This and Enviro 400 19592 (AE10BXD) from Cambridge are on loan to cover a vehicle shortage.
My driver friend wouldn't say what caused it, but it's not surprising when most of the fleet is over 10 years old
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on November 27, 2017, 01:13:30 pm
I assume 37214 is a crate as this specimen has been loaned to Bedford previously so I would guess it is held in low esteem by its parent depot. As for cheap plastic 19592 I would much rather 16592 but that's rules and regulations etc for you forcing good buses off the road.

As for a shortage of vehicles it comes as no surprise I have made mention of the fact that route 9 has only had three vehicles out on some mornings instead of four. One day last week it dropped to a pathetic two in the morning being just a MAN and a laughable Solo for people trying to get to work whilst 18057 and 18058 go mouldy on the depot.

I caught a glimpse of 34882 departing the bus station this morning which seemed vaguely familiar but maybe I am confusing it with 34881 that was once loaned to Bedford.

19892, not to be confused with 19592, was running about 25 minutes late from Luton this morning. 18416 was on the 5/6 circuit, 19701 the 0915 81 and 18418 the 0915 73.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on November 27, 2017, 04:10:28 pm
I assume 37214 is a crate as this specimen has been loaned to Bedford previously so I would guess it is held in low esteem by its parent depot. As for cheap plastic 19592 I would much rather 16592 but that's rules and regulations etc for you forcing good buses off the road.

As for a shortage of vehicles it comes as no surprise I have made mention of the fact that route 9 has only had three vehicles out on some mornings instead of four. One day last week it dropped to a pathetic two in the morning being just a MAN and a laughable Solo for people trying to get to work whilst 18057 and 18058 go mouldy on the depot.

I caught a glimpse of 34882 departing the bus station this morning which seemed vaguely familiar but maybe I am confusing it with 34881 that was once loaned to Bedford.

19892, not to be confused with 19592, was running about 25 minutes late from Luton this morning. 18416 was on the 5/6 circuit, 19701 the 0915 81 and 18418 the 0915 73.


18418 (AE06GZP) didn't get far with the 9:15 73. I saw it broken down by the post office opposite the college.
37214 (SN64OKM) is now a Bedford vehicle permanently according to a driver friend of mine
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on November 28, 2017, 05:04:20 pm
Thanks Al.

I noted 18057 parked up at the bus station this morning so maybe the reserves have been reinstated which surely must be the case in a vehicle shortage. 18416 was on the 0911 6 again for the second day running. 19698 had charge of the 0915 81.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on November 29, 2017, 02:30:40 pm
18057 was on the 0915 73 this morning whilst another Trident did the late running 0900 11 but was too far away to see which one. I didn't notice any number on the side of it a bit like 19888 which only has its numbers on the front and back.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on November 29, 2017, 04:17:19 pm
19592 (AE10BXD) still in Bedford and on the 53 today
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on December 01, 2017, 12:48:01 pm
Despite extra buses appearing there are still gaps in the service. My 0847 9 into town failed to materialise so I had to do 47341 on the 0859. Once in town the 0923 6 evaporated so I had to wait for the late running 0935. Consequently it took me an hour to get from Elstow Road to Manton Lane something I can walk in 40 minutes. Had things gone to plan it should take no more than 30 minutes doing the 0847 9 and 0911 6. I never seem to learn...

19592 worked a 5 to Elms Farm, 18416 left late on the 0915 81, 18418 scarpered on a 71, 34882 arrived on an unidentified service and then went empty to depot whilst 15455 did the 0932 50. I still haven't seen 19699 or 37214 since they arrived in my longer than wanted sojourn's at the bus station...

Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on December 01, 2017, 01:26:58 pm
37214 (SN64OKM) is on the 53 today along with 36041 (AE08NVR) and 19700 (AE60JRZ)
19592 (AE10BXD) was on schools this morning
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: rm clippie on December 01, 2017, 02:42:21 pm
with all these extra buses what actually is  missing from the normal services.
and whats been  taken off and delicended
I know trident 18417 seems to be long term sick at the  back of the garage.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on December 04, 2017, 01:58:18 pm
Four double decks were parked up at the back of the garage at 0850 this morning whilst lovely solos poodled around on routes 6 and 9 so does this mean Bedford is suddenly flush with buses that deckers can be left on depot? One of them would have been reserve 18058.

An unidentified trident was on an 11 whilst 18419 did the 0905 72. For the first time I viewed 19699 on a 1 but again no sign of the 0915 81, no doubt the vehicle delayed out on route 51. Still if the 0915 had been on time it would have had to find an alternative bay to depart from as someone dumped a route 7 solo in the bay and as soon as it moved for the 81 another solo on the 0923 6 jumped in there presumably thinking the 0915 had gone!
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: alanv on December 04, 2017, 02:59:46 pm
One day last week there were two double decks at Madingley Rd. P&R on the X5 route at about 9.30.
I assume that the X5 route has the highest priority at Bedford and allocations to  the other routes are subservient to the X5 route requirements.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on December 05, 2017, 12:51:32 pm
I remember the good times having 14000, 16209, 16496 and 16593 on the X5 but they were not as regular a feature as the E400's appear to be now. I assume that they like keeping an E400 spare in the bus station not earning its keep in case one is required to send out on the X5. It's not just a matter of reliability of the X5 vehicles but also when the roads get clogged up by road rats and services go missing that an E400 can get kicked out as cover.

The fact that there were four double decks on the depot yesterday morning doesn't necessarily mean they were all Bedford vehicles. From time to time Kettering vehicles have been noted particularly the stand out X4 gold buses so I can't just assume all four were Bedford buses.

This morning the 0915 81 was again missing in action but I did pass 19891 running not in service on Clapham Road so maybe that was it heading for the bus station. It should come off the 51 normally. 47437 was on offer on route 9 but I didn't fancy the wedge factor so walked into town. I still haven't seen 37214 but I don't know how much longer my luck will last...
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on December 06, 2017, 05:23:06 pm
As 19705 was a winner and I required route 11 all time I indulged in doing the 1740 to Great Denham Tuesday evening. I will have to do it again in daylight so I can actually see the route more clearly but at least it is done. It was a futile gesture flagging 47437 on the 9 in the morning as the damn thing snared me on the 1817 9 home so had clearly stayed out all day on the route.

There was no room for 19892 in the Luton bay for the 0915 81 this morning until 47442 departed on the 0911 6 and then 47440 arrived in the same bay on a 1 to then form the 0912 back to Kempston. Marvellous...
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: MIB on December 08, 2017, 01:03:25 pm
37214 finally came into my line of vision this morning on the 0845 73 with 19592 working the 0915 81. Unfortunately my 0911 6 to work evaporated again. The E400 arrived on the 5 but then the blind changed to not in service and the driver parked the bus up and then casually strolled off to the office leaving us punters to guess what was going on. Another driver came out of the office and looked at all the spare buses and then returned to the office so on that basis I concluded that the 0911 was caped so I did 36937 on the 0915 51 and walked to the office getting there well before the 0923 6 arrived.

It is a pity that the screen monitors don't actually inform the punters that a service is cancelled but instead the clock ticks down until the bus is due and then it disappears from the screen and then the next service 12 minutes later appears with absolutely no info as to whether the earlier bus is actually ever going to appear. Often when I leave work the screen at the bus stop informs you that the next service is due in 3 minutes and 10 minutes later it hasn't appeared and then the next day the screen will tell you it is due in 12 minutes and then it appears after just 4 minutes. What is the point of them if they give false information? The railways may cancel train services but at least their screens are accurate and they do tell you when services are cancelled and exactly how they are doing for time.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Habbinman on December 08, 2017, 08:19:23 pm
37214 finally came into my line of vision this morning on the 0845 73 with 19592 working the 0915 81. Unfortunately my 0911 6 to work evaporated again. The E400 arrived on the 5 but then the blind changed to not in service and the driver parked the bus up and then casually strolled off to the office leaving us punters to guess what was going on. Another driver came out of the office and looked at all the spare buses and then returned to the office so on that basis I concluded that the 0911 was caped so I did 36937 on the 0915 51 and walked to the office getting there well before the 0923 6 arrived.

It is a pity that the screen monitors don't actually inform the punters that a service is cancelled but instead the clock ticks down until the bus is due and then it disappears from the screen and then the next service 12 minutes later appears with absolutely no info as to whether the earlier bus is actually ever going to appear. Often when I leave work the screen at the bus stop informs you that the next service is due in 3 minutes and 10 minutes later it hasn't appeared and then the next day the screen will tell you it is due in 12 minutes and then it appears after just 4 minutes. What is the point of them if they give false information? The railways may cancel train services but at least their screens are accurate and they do tell you when services are cancelled and exactly how they are doing for time.
Unfortunately when it comes to these service information screens, that's where you find the difference between Trains & Buses !! With Train Companies the screens are directly run by them, whereas the Bus ones are run usually by, or on behalf of the Local Council or County Council ! The Bus ones, as you say, are not very good as they don't give cancellations or delays etc, whereas the Train ones do, mostly as well with an accompanying tannoy annoucement !. Its very obvious, to most of us, that the Bus ones are most probably the cheapest available on the market, or that the Local Council has obviously invested in only half a system, with the added notion that anyway they're really not interested in local bus services, & hence the resultant subsidy cuts !!
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Cheltonian on December 12, 2017, 10:00:11 pm
Not only subsidy cuts by City/County councils but also the number of staff employed on Public Transport. This has lead to insufficient staff to maintain the Electronic Bus Information and gradually it is falling by the wayside. Oh how the impetus has changed in the last 10 years. In 2007 Public Transport was seen as the savior of traffic congestion and Councils were providing good funding and gaining bonus points. Now, for some reason it is back to the bottom of the pile.
Title: Electronic bus information systems
Post by: RM471 on December 13, 2017, 08:13:12 am
Still works well in London. TFL makes the bus companies comply. Shame bus use is reducing in the capital because of congestion and despite fares on buses and trams being frozen until 2020. £1.50 a single journey with a daily cap pf £4.50. The excellent information, separate entry and exit doors and no cash transactions speeds up bus travel amazingly compared with other parts of the UK. Unfortunately congestion needs to be addressed by increasing congestion charges dramatically.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Elsworth Fox on December 13, 2017, 04:42:08 pm
Not only subsidy cuts by City/County councils but also the number of staff employed on Public Transport. This has lead to insufficient staff to maintain the Electronic Bus Information and gradually it is falling by the wayside. Oh how the impetus has changed in the last 10 years. In 2007 Public Transport was seen as the savior of traffic congestion and Councils were providing good funding and gaining bonus points. Now, for some reason it is back to the bottom of the pile.
In some instances, funding for bus services by local authorities has been cut altogether.  I still believe that, if challenged, this could be found to be illegal, given the provisions of the Transport Acts from 1985 on.   This is a very murky area because changes to the wording in later acts have muddied the meaning sufficiently to allow lawyers to argue that a total cut is legal.  If you don't fund bus services you need few, if any, staff.
It also has to be remembered that funding by central government for local authorities has been cut and cut again in the last seven years.  At the same time the legal duties have been increased.  The consequence is that authorities are seeking not to fund anything which is not clearly laid down as a legal requirement.  It would seem that some authorities, Northamptonshire for example, are going to be hard pressed in 2018/19 to meet even their statutory duties.
If you want to blame anyone for the failings of local authorities, look no further than 11 Downing Street, London.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Julia_Hayward on December 14, 2017, 08:50:00 am
X5 in a mess today, 0648 from home an Enviro, 0707 was 54310 which broke down at Madingley, 0737 another Enviro. What's the matter with the volvos?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: al_557 on December 14, 2017, 09:54:37 am
X5 in a mess today, 0648 from home an Enviro, 0707 was 54310 which broke down at Madingley, 0737 another Enviro. What's the matter with the volvos?

These are the worst coaches ever to be used on the X5. They've been a problem child since day one. Most common fault seems to be with the doors failing.
Gold spec Scania Enviro 400's might be a better option at least the doors are designed to be used frequently and they can carry more passengers

There is a vehicle shortage anyway at Bedford with Trident 18417(AE06GZO) and Enviro 200 36045 (AE08NVV) to name two of the vehicles long term out of service.
The Trident might get withdrawn so i'm told although I don't know what's wrong with it
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
Post by: Julia_Hayward on December 14, 2017, 10:05:32 am
These are the worst coaches ever to be used on the X5. They've been a problem child since day one. Most common fault seems to be with the doors failing.
Gold spec Scania Enviro 400's might be a better option at least the doors are designed to be used frequently and they can carry more passengers

Today's problem wasn't a door - driver had to keep revving really hard while stuck in slow moving traffic. They certainly seem to be riddled with faults - reading lights, wi-fi and power often not working, doors, toilet smoke alarms going off when noone using them, and for some reason tissues are left permanently jammed in some air vents. I thought (and said to Stagecoach) at the time the 154xx Scanias were coming off the busway that they would be better used on the X5 than trundling around on Cambridge city services.