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Title: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: Spoddendale on January 11, 2018, 07:15:23 pm
Notices and Proceedings number 2305 dated 10 January 2018 lists the following under
Section 3.3 – Applications to Vary Existing Services

PF0000459/168 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Peterborough and Hampton given service number 606 / 6 effective from 18 February 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/29 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Fison Road and Fulbourn given service number 3 / 3 effective from 18 February 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/28 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Waterbeach and Addenbrooke's given service number 2 / 2 effective from 18 February 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/49 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Bury St Edmunds given service number 11 / 11 effective from 18 February 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/27 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Arbury and Fulbourn given service number 1 / 1 effective from 18 February 2018. To amend Timetable.

David
Title: Re: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: Tony on January 18, 2018, 07:03:07 am
I was told the other day and i'm not sure how true it is that the Cambridge to Bury St Edmunds buses will only run between Newmarket and Bury St Edmunds
Title: Re: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: TCD813 on January 18, 2018, 10:40:12 am
I was told the other day and i'm not sure how true it is that the Cambridge to Bury St Edmunds buses will only run between Newmarket and Bury St Edmunds

It may be a split registration.
Title: Re: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: barryb on January 18, 2018, 10:55:26 pm
It may be a split registration.

Just been trying to work out what's happening with March x5 timetable.   I'm certain Traveline uses split registrations to inflict unnecessary levels of pain :-(
Title: Re: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: TCD813 on January 18, 2018, 11:59:35 pm
Just been trying to work out what's happening with March x5 timetable.   I'm certain Traveline uses split registrations to inflict unnecessary levels of pain :-(
March? X5?

Ah. Did you mean the month, rather than the place?
Title: Re: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: HughT on January 19, 2018, 08:48:11 am
Returning to the Stagecoach 11 (Cambridge-Bury). Yes, it's true. At least for off-peak services. Running just from Newmarket to BSE (and return, obviously). Now, the new timetable appears to suggest that the 11 will connect with the 12 at Newmarket, in both directions. But if it's anything like the "connections" at RAF Wyton between the A and 30/35, then I won't be holding my breath!

The new timetables are on the Suffolk County Council website (why doesn't Cambridgeshire CC offer this advance information, I wonder...):
https://www.suffolkonboard.com/buses/bus-timetable-updates/february-2018/
Title: Re: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: TCD813 on January 19, 2018, 11:44:11 am
Returning to the Stagecoach 11 (Cambridge-Bury). Yes, it's true. At least for off-peak services. Running just from Newmarket to BSE (and return, obviously). Now, the new timetable appears to suggest that the 11 will connect with the 12 at Newmarket, in both directions. But if it's anything like the "connections" at RAF Wyton between the A and 30/35, then I won't be holding my breath!

The new timetables are on the Suffolk County Council website (why doesn't Cambridgeshire CC offer this advance information, I wonder...):
https://www.suffolkonboard.com/buses/bus-timetable-updates/february-2018/
My first thought was this seems a rather odd reorganisation.

However I then thought to myself, what are the loadings on the off-peak services? And, in particular, how many passengers are ENTC holders?

Is this, I ask myself, a way for Stagecoach East to game the system?

Under the split service, an off-peak pass-holder’s journey between Cambridge and Bury will be compensated not by one payment from Cambridgeshire county council in one direction and one payment from Suffolk in the other, but by one from Cambridgeshire and three from Suffolk.
Title: Re: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: barryb on January 19, 2018, 04:06:25 pm
We'll find out if Stagecoach are gaming the system when they publish their own timetables (ie if the other half of the journeys turns up in a different service and they say that connections are guaranteed), but other than that it looks a lot like they've decided through demand from B St E to Cambridge isn't worth it and that Newmarket to Cambridge doesn't need so many buses.

This is awful sad - the fact that they haven't even maintained the peak journey back from Cambridge (the one least likely to meet a connection) shows just what a dire state bus services in this area are in :-(  It's not like they face stiff competition from rail; the train service is hideously expensive, just as infrequent with no prospect of improvement, unreliable, goes to the wrong part of Cambridge unless you happen to want to be at the station, in the case of Newmarket is statistically less likely to leave from the part of town you want to leave from, and has an overall journey time to central Cambridge of probably actually about the same.

There is of course a shining beacon of exception to this rule; the miracles that continue to happen on the Guided Busway.  It is so so sad that one of the (or perhaps just the) UK's most shining examples of success in *operating* buses (now to 35 services arriving in Cambridge from the north before 9am, following the latest batch of adding duplicates) has been utterly overshadowed by the fiasco that was building it :-(  Dare I suggest that what we need is a guided busway to Newmarket along the course of the old railway line?  I love proper railways, but we're not good at doing them, and the Mid Anglia line will always be restricted by the amount of freight it carries east of Newmarket.

Of course I am part of the problem, and beautifully reflect the decline that's been happening.  13 years ago I first arrived in the area and commuted daily from Huntingdon to Cambridge, while also using Stagecoach services from Cambridge for leisure trips on days off and at the weekend (including sometimes to Newmarket and B St E).  As the commute was hellish (in those days) I quickly moved into Cambridge, where I commuted with Citi services for a few years and still made leisure trips.  I got fed up with Citi services and started cycling within the city when I realised this was quicker, and then I started cycling to the first ring of villages around Cambridge when I realised that this was also the quickest way of getting to places like Sawston / Barton.  Nowadays life has got worse and my job is now in Ipswich / London, so I now have a car and either drive or take the train to work.  Once someone has a car they are of course almost lost to public transport, so weekend trips are now by car as well.

@TCD813 - yes I mean the X5 timetable that starts in March the month.
Title: Re: Stagecoach timetable changes - Feb 2018
Post by: centralsimon on January 19, 2018, 05:49:34 pm
The new timetables are on the Suffolk County Council website (why doesn't Cambridgeshire CC offer this advance information, I wonder...):
https://www.suffolkonboard.com/buses/bus-timetable-updates/february-2018/

At least Cambridgeshire update their information. Have a look at Peterborough’s Travelchoice portal. Adverts from Summer 2017 with timetables for services no longer running.

I wouldn’t trust their disruption page ..... although it’s a 404 error.

Does Peterborough employ anybody for public transport I wonder?