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Title: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: busman on January 15, 2018, 05:48:01 PM
Just seen on Mereway on the Arbury the 1706 service A  to Buckden ex railway station! I'm guessing trying to avoid the roadworks on Milton Road.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: TCD813 on January 15, 2018, 06:18:22 PM
Just seen on Mereway on the Arbury the 1706 service A  to Buckden ex railway station! I'm guessing trying to avoid the roadworks on Milton Road.

Odd route. It implies missing out Science Park and CRC stops. Would’ve thought citi2 route through Chesterton would’ve allowed access to all scheduled stops.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Julia_Hayward on January 16, 2018, 01:47:21 PM
I saw it as well, rejoining the route at the Golden Hind, so no stops missed.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: busman on January 16, 2018, 02:29:14 PM
I saw it as well, rejoining the route at the Golden Hind, so no stops missed.
What I can't find on the timetable is an inbound journey in the morning from Buckden!
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on January 25, 2018, 08:00:04 PM
15457 on the c7 at 10:30 to Cambridge
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on January 31, 2018, 07:31:07 PM
today on my home from cambridge at 6pm near milton road seen a dart doing the 1's to cherry hinton tesco
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Tony on January 31, 2018, 09:06:16 PM
22060, 18337 and 18339 have all been on citi 1's today (Wed 31 Jan 2018)

19164 pink cancer bus worked the 1650 Cambridge to Chatteris route 9....
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on January 31, 2018, 09:28:26 PM
thanks for the info tony
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on March 10, 2018, 08:37:39 PM
Jus seen on bus list on the web 2 new bus way single deckers 21311 and 21312 has been repeated to 10 reg bv18yca 21311 bv18ycb no longer being 67 regs so it's on the net now of the web site I said at the beginning bus list on the web

Chris
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: AE51VFX (Jonny) on March 10, 2018, 08:52:30 PM
Here is photo of the info from bus list on the web.

21311 now BV18 YCA was BF67 GOH
21312 now BV18 YCB was BF67 GOJ
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on March 15, 2018, 11:07:43 AM
Morning all

On the 10:26am from saffron Walden to Cambridge bus when waiting for few minutes in sawston seen a gold Haverhill bus to pumpisford doing the 7’s today a rear bus today plus didn’t see the fleet number on it
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: TCD813 on March 15, 2018, 11:48:47 AM
Morning all

On the 10:26am from saffron Walden to Cambridge bus when waiting for few minutes in sawston seen a gold Haverhill bus to pumpisford doing the 7’s today a rear bus today plus didn’t see the fleet number on it

One of the ‘Gold’ branded vehicles was on citi 2 duties yesterday.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on March 15, 2018, 02:20:55 PM
Also today 37215 on route 25 trumpington 37214 on citi 5 and 27851 on citi 1 plus 21227 on citi 2
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on March 15, 2018, 02:25:23 PM
15953 gold bus on citi 1 and 3 today and another ex busway 211223 on citi 2
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on March 15, 2018, 02:38:05 PM
15960 on citi 2 plus 19586 on 13’s with ex busway decker
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on March 15, 2018, 02:55:47 PM
18339 on citi 1 and 3
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on March 15, 2018, 03:01:05 PM
18336 on citi 1 and 3
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Stamford on March 27, 2018, 12:02:16 AM
Busway single-decker lacking any logos parked in the compound at Fenstanton on Monday night as I crawled past in the eastbound queue on the A14.  One of the two new ones?
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: AE51VFX (Jonny) on March 27, 2018, 08:57:02 AM
Busway single-decker lacking any logos parked in the compound at Fenstanton on Monday night as I crawled past in the eastbound queue on the A14.  One of the two new ones?
Yes I have seen photos of both of them in the yard at Fenstanton.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Palatine One on April 01, 2018, 12:43:23 PM
I understand that as of today Stagecoach Cambridge have plans to use their Megasightseeing.com brand to operate open-top tours on the Guided Busway, ending in a loop around central St. Ives and starting at Cambridge North Station. The elder Scanias are to be open-top converted as a result, the service itself replacing the N between Cambridge North Station and St Ives.
 
The exisiting Sightseeing fleet is off to Norfolk, to replace the Coasthopper service with an open-top one.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: linkyyork on April 01, 2018, 01:00:17 PM
Start date for all this is April 1st
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: TCD813 on April 01, 2018, 01:10:46 PM
I understand that as of today Stagecoach Cambridge have plans to use their Megasightseeing.com brand to operate open-top tours on the Guided Busway, ending in a loop around central St. Ives and starting at Cambridge North Station. The elder Scanias are to be open-top converted as a result, the service itself replacing the N between Cambridge North Station and St Ives.
 
The exisiting Sightseeing fleet is off to Norfolk, to replace the Coasthopper service with an open-top one.

Nearly had me there!  ;)
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: al_557 on April 01, 2018, 03:57:41 PM
I understand that as of today Stagecoach Cambridge have plans to use their Megasightseeing.com brand to operate open-top tours on the Guided Busway, ending in a loop around central St. Ives and starting at Cambridge North Station. The elder Scanias are to be open-top converted as a result, the service itself replacing the N between Cambridge North Station and St Ives.
 
The exisiting Sightseeing fleet is off to Norfolk, to replace the Coasthopper service with an open-top one.

Very well thought out and funny
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Tony on April 01, 2018, 06:34:35 PM
On Saturday 31st March, GOLD scania 15955 was seen in Waterbeach, arriving with the 1710 citi2 from Addenbrookes....
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: TCD813 on April 01, 2018, 07:34:49 PM
On Saturday 31st March, GOLD scania 15955 was seen in Waterbeach, arriving with the 1710 citi2 from Addenbrookes....

Saw that one earlier in the day but without being close enough to see the fleet number.

Citi2 seems to be Stagecoach East‘s route of choice for “whatever is available“.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Tony on April 02, 2018, 07:35:17 AM
Citi2 seems to be Stagecoach East‘s route of choice for “whatever is available“.
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Yes it does tend to throw up a few randoms probably as quite often one or two of the e300's that are suposed to work it pass my house on the 9's....so others cover for them....

Of course a lot of the randomness at the moment maybe beacause of MOT'S on the E400'S as they entered service around this time of year in 2010...
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Habbinman on April 03, 2018, 08:51:59 PM
One of the two NEW Busway saloons, 21312 BV18YCB was noted operating Busway A into Cambridge, approaching Milton Rd just after 1800. Not sure if this was its first day in service ?
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Habbinman on April 03, 2018, 08:56:50 PM
Citi2 seems to be Stagecoach East‘s route of choice for “whatever is available“.


Yes it does tend to throw up a few randoms probably as quite often one or two of the e300's that are suposed to work it pass my house on the 9's....so others cover for them....

Of course a lot of the randomness at the moment maybe beacause of MOT'S on the E400'S as they entered service around this time of year in 2010...
The MOTs for the batch of E400s are spread out over the complete year, so only one, maybe two, per week ! At the moment, a few buses have been loaned to Bedford to cover for vehicles on long term repairs, so that may have caused one or two oddball workings here.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steves on April 06, 2018, 10:32:08 PM
There is an interesting statement in this Route One article http://www.route-one.net/articles/Finance/Tough_times_for_Stagecoach about increasing the revenue per vehicle mile which might well explain why SiC is cutting off peak frequencies even though they do not reduce the PVR.  This would suggest that chasing the statistic has unintended consequences which are wrecking the network.  Comments elsewhere suggest that the meeting of the three buses at Newmarket doesn't always work effectively killing the through traffic.  However, it probably has the right statistical outcome to keep higher management from asking questions. 

Seems very reminiscent of the policies which led First into becoming Worst
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: RM471 on April 09, 2018, 10:02:20 AM
Came across this old child's T shirt. Happy days!

Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on April 30, 2018, 02:14:16 PM
37214 doing the citie 2 and 37215 on route 25
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: skyLink on May 16, 2018, 11:43:18 PM
keep your eyes on volvo ely and cambridge depot as new volvo b5 open top street decks are due any time now. they have been spotted at heysham port







 
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: SURREYMAN on May 18, 2018, 11:47:08 AM
keep your eyes on volvo ely and cambridge depot as new volvo b5 open top street decks are due any time now. they have been spotted at heysham port
SD Website lists 6 B5TL/Wright Gemini 3 Open Top for Cambridge?
Anyone able to comment/add more details?
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: dennisdart on May 19, 2018, 08:23:25 PM
There is a report and pictures by Alistair Liddle when he visited Heysham today

https://busesandbits.smugmug.com/Heysham-Docks-201516-and-some-/Heysham-Docks-19-05-2018/
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Habbinman on May 20, 2018, 07:34:33 PM
There is a report and pictures by Alistair Liddle when he visited Heysham today

https://busesandbits.smugmug.com/Heysham-Docks-201516-and-some-/Heysham-Docks-19-05-2018/
This is the second one, as there is already one delivered & stored in Ely Depot. They will be 13808-13 with regs BV18YBA/B/C/D/E/F.

There will no doubt be a Press Launch when they enter service.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: dennisdart on May 28, 2018, 05:08:19 PM
This is another re-post of one that fell between the cracks of changeover

Another report from Alistair Liddle re Heysham arrivals reports the following:

Stagecoach Cambus
Volvo B5TL Gemini 3 semi open top 13810 BV18 YBC body AQ808 VIN YV3T9U229JA190404

Pictures here:

https://busesandbits.smugmug.com/Heysham-Docks-201516-and-some-/Heysham-Docks-26-05-2018/


Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steven Knight Media on June 07, 2018, 03:24:27 PM
Is anyone able to confirm which vehicles at Cambridge and Fenstanton carry the green 'Greener, Smarter Travel' livery please.

Also which Enviro 200s and Enviro 300s at Cambridge have Cambridge Citi branding.

Thanks,

Steve
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Julia_Hayward on June 24, 2018, 12:31:00 PM
Don't know if it's been reported before but T667XTV has joined the training fleet at Cambridge.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: grandad on August 17, 2018, 10:17:01 AM
alteration at service 9 from 3 September
See service 9 is being reduced in Milton to 1 bus an hour,there is a gap in the morning from 0831 to 0958 into city and likewise in the afternoon from the city from  1525 to 1700,the service to the north station has gone off peak as has the service to Landbeach
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: al_557 on August 18, 2018, 12:40:16 AM
Just wondering with the end of service 26. Will this reduce the vehicle requirement at Cambridge?
I always wondered why Cambridge kept just two Enviro 200's. Surely it would be better to base these at Bedford or Peterborough where the type are used regularly and also for spares storage. it can't be that economical to carry spares for just two vehicles.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Tony on August 18, 2018, 11:35:44 AM
Forgot to post this but on Thursday 16 August, GOLD 15952 worked the 0930 Landbeach to Cambridge, number 19, this is the service that runs via Waterbeach, Horningsea and Fen Ditton, this is the replacement service that Stagecoach now operate after Whippet gave up the 196 service...

Not sure how regular a GOLD appearing on this particular service is, i remember a few timetables back when the 0949 number 9 to Cambridge via the traditional route used to start from Waterbeach it was covered by a Haverhill turn, so a few times GOLD'S appeared...

Further views of this service will be required..
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: David Goddard on August 22, 2018, 08:27:30 AM
alteration at service 9 from 3 September
See service 9 is being reduced in Milton to 1 bus an hour,there is a gap in the morning from 0831 to 0958 into city and likewise in the afternoon from the city from  1525 to 1700,the service to the north station has gone off peak as has the service to Landbeach

An interesting set of changes with the result of an hourly service 9 between Cambridge and Ely, alternately working to Littleport, or a circular via the new leisure park and Lisle Lane.  Peak time journey continue to work as X9 omitting Waterbeach and Milton.

Landbeach shorts disappear, with no alternative off-peak service to the village .  A couple of peak time diversions of the 9s, plus Citi2 journeys remain.  Of note on that service, one early Citi2 starts back from Ely at 0550, with the 1936 from Cambridge forming a balancing return working.

Ely to March becomes a separate service 39.  On inspection, the timetable suggests that peak time journeys probably do continue to interwork with 9s- I hope so as the morning connections are just two minutes, one in the evening is four and the final one (off of the circuitous 9b) is zero.  The offpeak falls to as low as every two and a half hours, presumably to allow it to be worked by one bus.  Clearly with this frequency not all trips will connect neatly with 9s.  This brings the service on this corridor to weaker than the erstwhile Viscount 355 that operated pre-takeover.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steves on September 01, 2018, 10:58:10 PM
This is the Stagecoach take on the changes to the 9.

Not sure many people would agree.  One of the quirks of the timetable is that, unless you live in the centre of town, you either can't get to the leisure centre without a 1hour + wait at Market Street or you can't get back without a wait.  It also has a curious timing point in Kings Avenue which suggests a double run but the stop that would be used gives no indication of the service.  Other stops have this poster and the revised departure times listed.  A further quirk is that the Traveline timetables and the departure notices on the early part of the route show the service terminating at Beresford Road but it doesn't wait there but starts its return journey immediately and has a 15 minute break at Market Street before going on to Cambridge.  The pdf timetable is better in this respect as it shows the journey continuing.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on September 03, 2018, 10:30:57 AM
Today doing Saffron Walden run at 10:30am plus rest off the day is 27846 totally rear doing my route
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: David Goddard on September 03, 2018, 03:17:48 PM
This is the Stagecoach take on the changes to the 9.

Not sure many people would agree.  One of the quirks of the timetable is that, unless you live in the centre of town, you either can't get to the leisure centre without a 1hour + wait at Market Street or you can't get back without a wait.  It also has a curious timing point in Kings Avenue which suggests a double run but the stop that would be used gives no indication of the service.  Other stops have this poster and the revised departure times listed.  A further quirk is that the Traveline timetables and the departure notices on the early part of the route show the service terminating at Beresford Road but it doesn't wait there but starts its return journey immediately and has a 15 minute break at Market Street before going on to Cambridge.  The pdf timetable is better in this respect as it shows the journey continuing.

Cant see many improvements there - the circular journeys are only any good if you are travelling to or from the City Centre or station, or to Cambridge- no use for point to point trips for places along the route, and as its only off peak not much benefit for workers, which would entice people out of their cars.  Looks like another attempt to run down the service so much that it is useless, so can then be withdrawn.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: AE51VFX (Jonny) on September 05, 2018, 02:52:50 PM
Stagecoach Huntington 21310 BF65 WKZ 14.06pm from Peterborough Bus Station on service due to decker having a flat tire.

Photo to follow later when edit.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steves on September 18, 2018, 08:18:33 PM
E200 37215 was on the 12 leaving Ely this morning.  This is unusual.  I haven't seen one of these for quite a while.  37215 used to be a regular on the 15 when it was an independent route.  There seem to have been several of the E300s in Ely in the last few days and fewer of double and single ex-busway vehicles.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on September 20, 2018, 12:40:55 PM
Enviro 200 doing the 7 from Saffron Walden at 11:16am to Cambridge didn’t see the fleet number
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on September 20, 2018, 08:37:50 PM
27850 on the 7 at 2:16pm to Cambridge
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Tony on September 26, 2018, 01:01:38 PM
Interesting day in Waterbeach so far....

37215 is on the 9's circuit today having worked the 1906 Addenbrookes to Ely Citi 2 last night, it has worked 0730 Cambridge to Ely, 0922 Ely to Cambridge, 1025 Cambridge to Littleport and the 1142 return to Cambridge so far today...

GOLD 15954 worked the 1037 Ely Beresford Road to Cambridge, its return working 1225 Cambridge to Littleport working has been swapped for 18339

Finally seen just ahead of 18339 on the 1225 was driver trainer coach 52443....
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on September 27, 2018, 03:32:07 PM
52647 seen in Saffron Walden around 2:20pm this afternoon driver route learning
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: busman on September 27, 2018, 05:13:10 PM
Theres an E400 running around in a wrap. Noted in traffic working  Citi2 today
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 01, 2018, 12:11:10 PM
Could anyone advise if they are aware of the current location of Optare Solo 47659. It has not been seen at Cambridge or Ely so some time.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 01, 2018, 03:26:24 PM
Stagecoach Cumbria MAN/ALX300 trainer 22141 was transferred from Carlisle to Cambridge yesterday
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Habbinman on October 01, 2018, 07:39:07 PM
Stagecoach Cumbria MAN/ALX300 trainer 22141 was transferred from Carlisle to Cambridge yesterday
Think this may be On Loan with an Instructor, to help get some more drivers trained & through their Tests to alleviate the Driver Shortage in Cambridge ??
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Habbinman on October 01, 2018, 07:42:53 PM
Could anyone advise if they are aware of the current location of Optare Solo 47659. It has not been seen at Cambridge or Ely so some time.
Possibly at Kings Lynn, as it may have been used to transport drivers there, in order to fetch other Solos to Cambridge & onward transfer within the Group ??
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on October 04, 2018, 02:03:16 PM
15854 on citi 2 today
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on October 04, 2018, 09:11:52 PM
27852 on citi 7
19582 on golf route 13’s
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on October 06, 2018, 03:51:29 PM
18338 on citi 4
19017 on citi 7 wit an college add on it  some sort
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Tony on October 09, 2018, 12:00:58 PM
19017's advert is for some kind of radio station thats gone digital nationwide, theres a few buses been given the overall advert i know Bluestar in Southampton have one and a Stagecoach ALX in Pymouth also carries it... 
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 10, 2018, 12:27:33 PM
MAN/ALX300 trainer 22141 has been returned to Stagecoach Cumbria at Carlisle and replaced on loan at Cambridge with former Manchester Volvo B10M/Alexander PS trainer 20983.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: skyLink on October 10, 2018, 12:30:55 PM
MAN/ALX300 trainer 22141 has been returned to Stagecoach Cumbria at Carlisle and replaced on loan at Cambridge with former Manchester Volvo B10M/Alexander PS trainer 20983.

Any ideas how long it's down for.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 10, 2018, 02:21:03 PM
I believe a couple of months but will check and confirm
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Tony on October 11, 2018, 06:57:48 PM
20983 shocked me when it went by Cambridge rail station at 1524 on Tuesday, unfortunately my phone camera didn't start up quick enough hence no pic....
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on October 12, 2018, 08:18:15 AM
how long is 20983 staying with cambridge lot please
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: skyLink on October 12, 2018, 09:02:21 PM
how long is 20983 staying with cambridge lot please

Read above man 🤔
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 16, 2018, 11:48:49 AM
The use of 20983 at Cambridge is likely to be short lived and imminent replacement with 22141 is on the cards.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: busman on October 21, 2018, 08:40:19 PM
The use of 20983 at Cambridge is likely to be short lived and imminent replacement with 22141 is on the cards.

She was still here this weekend.
Photographed this afternoon in the yard.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: busman on October 21, 2018, 08:41:24 PM
The use of 20983 at Cambridge is likely to be short lived and imminent replacement with 22141 is on the cards.

She was still here this weekend.
Photographed this afternoon in the yard.
Title: Andy Campbell to retire in December
Post by: John Wakefield on October 23, 2018, 06:04:29 PM
Andy Campbell is to retire in December after 50 years service in the industry. This statement by Stagecoach
https://www.stagecoach.com/media/news-releases/2018/2018-10-22.aspx
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: John on October 25, 2018, 07:44:46 AM
A great shame, a good bus man that understood the company.   
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: John Wakefield on October 26, 2018, 11:12:01 PM
A great shame, a good bus man that understood the company.

Others may disagree, particularly passengers, Cambell has had a lot of 'stick' from the media recently.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on October 28, 2018, 01:08:50 PM
20983 gone back we’re it come from north west
22141 in back of Cambridge yard
15952 doing driving learning bus heading back to the yard
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Streetdeck on November 03, 2018, 02:36:17 PM
Others may disagree, particularly passengers, Cambell has had a lot of 'stick' from the media recently.
Those that constantly complain about it should try and run it themselves....
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Julia_Hayward on November 04, 2018, 03:08:54 PM
Those that constantly complain about it should try and run it themselves....

Quite. And the local media has daggers out for Stagecoach when the problems are largely local and central government policy.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: John Wakefield on November 05, 2018, 09:49:50 AM
Quite. And the local media has daggers out for Stagecoach when the problems are largely local and central government policy.

Yes the local media and bus users are always 'gunning' for Stagecoach, but its mainly their (Stagecoach) fault. Like the other big operators First, Arriva, Go-Ahead etc their customer relations are zero. Most drivers dont show a friendly face to the customer, wont wait a second or two for someone running for a bus (once the door is closed they wont open it), wont let passengers take some items on the bus, a few weeks ago I witnessed a couple who had a small child with a very small kiddies bike, driver said they dont take bikes, but it was only a little one that would easily have gone into luggage pen. After women asked for the complaints tel number, the driver then phoned the office to get permission to take the bike, he could have used his initiative to defuse the situation. But Stagecoach dont seem to want drivers to use their initiative. They set hard and fast rules and expect drivers to obey them to the letter.
Another thing that winds passengers up is that when they are waiting for a bus thats late or has been cancelled, they see a bus going by with NOT IN SERVICE in the destination. That really does wind people up.
The big boys really do need to get their act together. They need to look at Julian Patterson's Lynx outfit in Norfolk. Julian is a passed master at running bus services which are passenger friendly, run on time with affordable fares.
Sadly yes the government are ultimately to blame for this situation by de-regulating buses. This over the years has seen most independent operators packing in stage carriage routes as the big boys 'bullied' them off the road.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: ChilternRover on November 05, 2018, 09:56:28 AM
Perfect assessment, John!
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on November 05, 2018, 10:31:39 AM
27845 just left Saffron Walden 10:29am to Cambridge nice seeing a single decker bus on the roads in Saffron Walden not a double decker
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: alan on November 05, 2018, 12:48:30 PM
I quite agree with John Wakefield's last sentence regarding the big boys driving the smaller ones off the road but quite honestly I have sympathy for any bus driver in Cambridge today.

Its a different world from even ten years ago & certainly very different from when I drove P/T for Premier Travel many years ago albeit city centre traffic was still heavy & the old Drummer Street Bus station with the express coaches as well quite a challenge.

There is an increasing number of passengers, pedestrians cyclists & motorists who make a bus drivers life hell. Bus drivers & us are all human & cannot always maintain a friendly face following very testing circumstances one after another. Three idiots pulled out straight in front of the bus on one four mile journey I was on last week. As we got off the chap in front of me shook the Drivers hand & said "well done" as he would have wanted to get out & thump at least one of them. Get that all day & it would test the patience of a saint. I still do a bit of voluntary work in Cambridge one day a week taking disabled/infirm people about who cannot access normal public transport and that one day in city centre traffic in Cambridge is enough for me!
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: essexdragon on November 05, 2018, 01:37:58 PM
Sorry, but in the real world isn't running any bus service trying to get a quart out of a pint pot, and something has to give? Of course, not every town or the circumstances of every operator aren't the same, so maybe comparing Stagecoach or First with Lynx is like comparing chalk and cheese, and then complaining they don't taste the same?

Most of us seem to think that money grows on trees, though perhaps for us it always has? In the real world people, and companies, have to try hard to make ends meet. And that means compromises, and what some of us might consider cheating too; but that is getting out into the real world from the comfortable world of the imagination in front of a computer screen. We have the right to complain, of course, and should do so for that is how we achieve improvement; but no-one has a magic wand, not even bus managers. And all of us have made our excuses, at some time or another, but of course we should never treat others as we expect to be treated ourselves. Some things never change. Attitudes, for a start. And that we always look at the past through rose-tinted spectacles (transition adaptive, naturally).  If Hollywood taught us anything it is that the world is divided into goodies and baddies. It isn't; as we used to learn as we (used to) grow up.

The pixies are still hiding that money pot at the end of the rainbow!
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Julia_Hayward on November 05, 2018, 06:38:21 PM
There's a much bigger competitor to the little guys than Stagecoach - and that's the private car. Unreliability, stressed drivers, poor service levels and minor operators throwing in the towel are symptoms of various policies - planning housing estates and employment centres that are well nigh impossible to serve by bus, withdrawing support for rural routes so people take the easy way out and drive into the centre rather than to a P&R, house price bubbles (driven by central government policy flogging everything off to overseas investors) pushing people to live ever further from town, and the muppets that seem to block the A14 daily with accidents.

An example - in the evening I get the Milton P&R into town on the way home from work. Most days it's 15 minutes from the A10/A14 roundabout to the busway junction. Then heading out of town on the X5, I watch a solid queue going the other way from the centre all the way out to Madingley P&R. How can you keep a sensible timetable like that? The passengers take their frustrations out on the drivers, the drivers take theirs out on the passengers, and every one turned off the bus makes things that bit worse for everyone.

If it wasn't so expensive I'd be commuting by train SNO - CMB and saving hours a week...

(Edit - tonight it's fireworks in Cambridge. You'd think it would be a perfect opportunity to get a lot of people to one place by bus. But no, the city council has strategically blocked the main bus artery and closed stops all around, causing gridlock)
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Elsworth Fox on November 05, 2018, 07:52:38 PM
There is much which is right in Julia Hayward's comment.  One element missed is the action of the major housing developers.  They continually whine about the planning system preventing them from building houses when the top ten developers are sitting on at least four years supply and some more than ten.  Why don't they build, because by limiting supply they can keep the price of houses up.  That enables them to pay big dividends and big bonuses to the bosses.  The headman at Persimmons received a £90m bonus recently. 

Northstowe, ideally suited to benefit from the Busway and not rely on the car, should have been completed by now.  Instead one of the developers responsible for 3,500 houses, has been arguing that they have been called upon to provide too great a proportion of affordable houses.  They base their argument on the cost of infrastructure on surely one of the easiest sites to develop, especially with the proximity of the upgraded A14 and the Busway.

Then we have the actions of Councils like Huntingdonshire.  Faced with the need to provide more housing sites they go for scattering small developments round the villages which are not well served by bus services.  Each house will put one or more cars on already congested roads resulting in even more unreliable bus services in and around our towns. They had the alternative of going for a larger development at Wyton Airfield, with a developer willing to fund a regular bus service from the start.  In the long run, such a development could have sustained a commercial service.  Their excuse - it would have needed some expansion of the A141 and the cost quoted for a single carriageway road, was greater, on a per mile basis, than the new A14(M).
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Elsworth Fox on November 06, 2018, 11:01:45 AM
Sadly yes the government are ultimately to blame for this situation by de-regulating buses. This over the years has seen most independent operators packing in stage carriage routes as the big boys 'bullied' them off the road.
As someone who was involved in operating buses and coaches in the pre-deregulated era, it wasn't always so easy as some, looking back through rose tinted spectacles, seem to think.  The reason why some small operators gave up was because they could see that their licences had a value and there were easier ways of utilising that cash than running buses or coaches.

As to bullying that depended to a large extent on the attitude of the traffic commissioners.  I worked for a large BET subsidiary in the sixties and that company, some might think in collusion with the local traffic commissioner's chairman, certainly bullied one of the few independent operators in their area.  The moment that operator applied to expand an existing or for a new road service licence, the story was always the same.  If this application is granted, we shall immediately have to withdraw other rural services.  That argument would be accepted each time.

Later, working for an independent operator, I was involved in traffic court cases where we took on some of the big boys.  We won some of those cases partly because we took an immense amount of care over the preparation of our case, usually seeking out witnesses to support our application and putting together statistics.  This all took time and money, something a really small operator couldn't afford.  I think there were also times that the supercilious attitude of the opposition's representative helped our cause.  They seemed to think they merely had to turn up to see off these guys from Hicksville.

By the time the eighties came round I was working for a local authority so saw through the run up and implementation of deregulation.  It worked well for us - but that, as they say, is another story.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: John Wakefield on November 06, 2018, 12:48:31 PM
As I said in a previous post, something has to happen, it cant carry on as it is with Stagecoach the monopoly player in Cambridgeshire bus services. Something has to change and franchising seems the only real alternative.
Obviously people must be given a better, cheaper, alternative than using their cars, but at the moment the high fares make it in many cases cheaper to use a car. Whilst the Stagecoach Dayrider/ Megarider tickets are fine for regular commuters or those using buses a lot,  individual short distance fares must come down.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: cesar on November 06, 2018, 09:17:07 PM
As I said in a previous post, something has to happen, it cant carry on as it is with Stagecoach the monopoly player in Cambridgeshire bus services. Something has to change and franchising seems the only real alternative.
Obviously people must be given a better, cheaper, alternative than using their cars, but at the moment the high fares make it in many cases cheaper to use a car. Whilst the Stagecoach Dayrider/ Megarider tickets are fine for regular commuters or those using buses a lot,  individual short distance fares must come down.


But someone - whether it be the general taxpayer or motorists through (say) a congestion charge, has to pay for it!! A change to contracting (it's not franchising!!) - will not suddenly cause the magic money tree to blossom more. 
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: SURREYMAN on November 07, 2018, 07:32:04 AM
As I said in a previous post, something has to happen, it cant carry on as it is with Stagecoach the monopoly player in Cambridgeshire bus services. Something has to change and franchising seems the only real alternative.
Obviously people must be given a better, cheaper, alternative than using their cars, but at the moment the high fares make it in many cases cheaper to use a car. Whilst the Stagecoach Dayrider/ Megarider tickets are fine for regular commuters or those using buses a lot,  individual short distance fares must come down.
I find it hard to understand what you are saying, franchising has to be paid for out of public funds.
Public Bodies, Councils etc would be have to be insane to guarantee the costs of running bus services.
Even if franchising went ahead, it would not solve the problems of traffic congestion.
Congestion charging would seem to be the sensible answer to many of Cambridges traffic problems but politically it is electoral suicide.
I don't live anywhere near Cambridge (I did use to deliver to the City some years ago) so can't comment on Stagecoaches local performance, generally they are one of the better operators in the UK, why is there a problem with them being a 'monopoly' ??
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: John Wakefield on November 07, 2018, 09:17:29 AM
I find it hard to understand what you are saying, franchising has to be paid for out of public funds.
Public Bodies, Councils etc would be have to be insane to guarantee the costs of running bus services.
Even if franchising went ahead, it would not solve the problems of traffic congestion.
Congestion charging would seem to be the sensible answer to many of Cambridges traffic problems but politically it is electoral suicide.
I don't live anywhere near Cambridge (I did use to deliver to the City some years ago) so can't comment on Stagecoaches local performance, generally they are one of the better operators in the UK, why is there a problem with them being a 'monopoly' ??

The problem with monopoly's is that they 'call the shots', and only run services that suit them, put up fares as no competition etc etc. There is a Monopoly's Commission who are supposed to keep this in check. 
Problem with  bus services is they are not like shops, where if you dont like the prices or services then you go some where else, you cant do that with bus services.
As for franchising, the services are be paid for from the fares, its just that they will all go into a central fund and the profitable routes will subsidise the unprofitable. The LA are not using public funds to run the services as with the current system where they only take on and fund the unprofitable services that the likes of Stagecoach dont want to run.
There should be no or little top up required by the LA if system was run efficiently and not for profit. Any profit would be ploughed back into the system to fund other routes. It works in London so why not Cambridge?
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Elsworth Fox on November 07, 2018, 10:13:58 AM
The problem with monopoly's is that they 'call the shots', and only run services that suit them, put up fares as no competition etc etc. There is a Monopoly's Commission who are supposed to keep this in check. 
Problem with  bus services is they are not like shops, where if you dont like the prices or services then you go some where else, you cant do that with bus services.
As for franchising, the services are be paid for from the fares, its just that they will all go into a central fund and the profitable routes will subsidise the unprofitable. The LA are not using public funds to run the services as with the current system where they only take on and fund the unprofitable services that the likes of Stagecoach dont want to run.
There should be no or little top up required by the LA if system was run efficiently and not for profit. Any profit would be ploughed back into the system to fund other routes. It works in London so why not Cambridge?
My problem with franchising is that the one example in the UK, namely in London, is costing millions.  Why should Cambridge be any different, just on a smaller scale?  With local authority budgets squeezed to breaking point how could Cambridgeshire take the risk, betting on fares meeting the overall costs?

If you have a single countywide franchise then only the big boys are able to bid for it.  Stagecoach would be in pole position to win because any other operator, Go-Ahead, First Group (perish the thought) for example, would have to provide the infrastructure necessary with all the set up costs.  On the other hand if you split the area into a number of smaller groups of routes so that smaller operators could bid then Stagecoach could still end up with the better routes at the same time having an income guaranteed by the local authority.  If you have a multiplicity of operators then the authority has to arrange a multi ticket with all its associated administration costs.

You also would have the administrative costs of creating the franchises.  This would involve the local authority employing extra staff to design them.  They would be subject to political influences.  These could result in some routes being over bussed and others with a much poorer service.

The problem, as has been mentioned above, is traffic congestion.  Instead of wasting his time and money on pipe dreams like franchising and the Cambridge Metro, the mayor ought to be finding ways of sorting this out.  If congestion continues worsening, no bus service entering the city will be able to cross subsidise uneconomic rural routes.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: cesar on November 07, 2018, 09:54:21 PM
The problem with monopoly's is that they 'call the shots', and only run services that suit them, put up fares as no competition etc etc. There is a Monopoly's Commission who are supposed to keep this in check. 
Problem with  bus services is they are not like shops, where if you dont like the prices or services then you go some where else, you cant do that with bus services.
As for franchising, the services are be paid for from the fares, its just that they will all go into a central fund and the profitable routes will subsidise the unprofitable. The LA are not using public funds to run the services as with the current system where they only take on and fund the unprofitable services that the likes of Stagecoach dont want to run.
There should be no or little top up required by the LA if system was run efficiently and not for profit. Any profit would be ploughed back into the system to fund other routes. It works in London so why not Cambridge?


But there has to be a 'profit'. Where do you think the money for vehicles comes from? If operators buy them, they have to make a profit. If the local authority buys them, then that's extra money to come from taxpayers (and the history of public sector procurement is not glorious....). And before someone says 'lease them' - fine - but that's a big extra chunk on the operating cost, so the price goes up. And then as has been said, there's all the layers of bureaucracy to procure and monitor..... So whichever you do it, the magic money tree has to blossom more!!

Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: linkyyork on November 07, 2018, 11:09:13 PM
John Wakefield states " The problem with monopoly's is that they 'call the shots', and only run services that suit them"

But this is exactly what deregulation is all about - for companies to run where and when they like.

I constantly give an example of what deregulation did to my local route.
First of all it was profitable overall with the low loadings on the evening service supported by the profit made at other times.
With deregulation they now were able to run when they liked ie during the profitable time of the day and the evening services ended.
So my last bus went from being 10pm - 11pm Fri Sat to 6pm and I went into a car.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: dwarfer1979 on November 08, 2018, 08:47:41 AM
The problem with monopoly's is that they 'call the shots', and only run services that suit them, put up fares as no competition etc etc. There is a Monopoly's Commission who are supposed to keep this in check. 
Problem with  bus services is they are not like shops, where if you dont like the prices or services then you go some where else, you cant do that with bus services.
As for franchising, the services are be paid for from the fares, its just that they will all go into a central fund and the profitable routes will subsidise the unprofitable. The LA are not using public funds to run the services as with the current system where they only take on and fund the unprofitable services that the likes of Stagecoach dont want to run.
There should be no or little top up required by the LA if system was run efficiently and not for profit. Any profit would be ploughed back into the system to fund other routes. It works in London so why not Cambridge?
There appears to be a combination of short-term memory, rose-tinted spectacles and a confusion of terms repatedly coming up in this debate.  Franchising or Contracting is never 'not-for-profit', the operators providing the service are all profit making entities aiming to still make a similar level of profit, contracting just removes much of the risk from the private operator and passes it to the taxpayer, the difference in profit margin between London operators and provincial deregulated ones is that most London operators lease buses over the life of the contract they are bought for (as they have no guaranteed work beyond that time) whilst provincial ones tend to buy them as the work lasts as long as they want to run in so in the former the cash comes out before the publicly announced profit figure is calculated whilst in the latter in comes out of the 'profit' announced.  If anything resembling a 'not-for-profit' operation is expected what is meant is municipalisation where the council buys and operates the service, this will cost 10's of millions to set up (as the council will have to buy the business as a going concern including all assets rather than just compensating for lost earnings on route goodwill as a minimum on franchising - though any sensible authority will pay extra to ensure access to sites/vehicles for a smooth transition).

Also can I point out that bus services weren't operated entirely off their income before deregulation & privatisation, the councils provided large amounts of funding to operators but it wasn't transparent on what it was for and the whole thing was open to abuse by monopolistic operators (often state owned) who could demand any amount of money as no one could compete.  It is well known that the NBC regularly went to local councils demanding large sums of money or they would withdraw all services, they did it in North Norfolk and when the council refused they decimated the network and it took more than a decade of deregulation to remotely recover.  So pre-deregulation non-commercial journeys were being supported by local government funding it just wasn't obvious to anyone inside or outside the industry that this was the case, once deregulation meant services/journeys were better accounted for Local Authorities could decide exactly what they valued as important and what wasn't worth continuing to fund in a clearer manner.

Any argument that relies on any level of UK government being efficient would appear to fly in the face of reality, all levels of UK government are renowned for their inefficiency and poor procurement and project management skills.  The low level officers may be competent (but in regards to public transport many would be out of their depth if they had to handle the sort of network planning and contract management that proposed franchising schemes require) but they are hamstrung by an inefficient system that gold plates everything and struggles to find best value, the London contracting system is a good example costing millions in subsidy to run in the one city in the world that running a commercial system should be easiest given how pro-public transport and 'anti-car' the entire set up and road system are there.

Any proposals like franchising are going to need more money (to pay for the greater levels of administration & cover the general inefficiencies that come from local government interference), be less responsive to customers (local government has never been good at the concept of choice, you may have a marginally better bus service level but it may not take you where you want to go because a bus service is a bus service and ticks the box from a council viewpoint) also because politicians respond to 'voters' (or at least the vocal minority/papers that purport to represent them) rather than the passengers who use the service who may not directly or at all elect the politician in question and slower to respond (councils simply don't make decisions quickly, or at all, unless forced by artificial outside deadlines and don't react quickly to requests for changes or improvements).  Unless a lot of extra money is coming in, when there would be a case for government to have greater control over how that is spent, something that no one in power seems to remotely be suggesting at any level then greater government interference is just going to make things work.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: cesar on November 08, 2018, 08:33:28 PM
There appears to be a combination of short-term memory, rose-tinted spectacles and a confusion of terms repatedly coming up in this debate.  Franchising or Contracting is never 'not-for-profit', the operators providing the service are all profit making entities aiming to still make a similar level of profit, contracting just removes much of the risk from the private operator and passes it to the taxpayer, the difference in profit margin between London operators and provincial deregulated ones is that most London operators lease buses over the life of the contract they are bought for (as they have no guaranteed work beyond that time) whilst provincial ones tend to buy them as the work lasts as long as they want to run in so in the former the cash comes out before the publicly announced profit figure is calculated whilst in the latter in comes out of the 'profit' announced.  If anything resembling a 'not-for-profit' operation is expected what is meant is municipalisation where the council buys and operates the service, this will cost 10's of millions to set up (as the council will have to buy the business as a going concern including all assets rather than just compensating for lost earnings on route goodwill as a minimum on franchising - though any sensible authority will pay extra to ensure access to sites/vehicles for a smooth transition).

Also can I point out that bus services weren't operated entirely off their income before deregulation & privatisation, the councils provided large amounts of funding to operators but it wasn't transparent on what it was for and the whole thing was open to abuse by monopolistic operators (often state owned) who could demand any amount of money as no one could compete.  It is well known that the NBC regularly went to local councils demanding large sums of money or they would withdraw all services, they did it in North Norfolk and when the council refused they decimated the network and it took more than a decade of deregulation to remotely recover.  So pre-deregulation non-commercial journeys were being supported by local government funding it just wasn't obvious to anyone inside or outside the industry that this was the case, once deregulation meant services/journeys were better accounted for Local Authorities could decide exactly what they valued as important and what wasn't worth continuing to fund in a clearer manner.

Any argument that relies on any level of UK government being efficient would appear to fly in the face of reality, all levels of UK government are renowned for their inefficiency and poor procurement and project management skills.  The low level officers may be competent (but in regards to public transport many would be out of their depth if they had to handle the sort of network planning and contract management that proposed franchising schemes require) but they are hamstrung by an inefficient system that gold plates everything and struggles to find best value, the London contracting system is a good example costing millions in subsidy to run in the one city in the world that running a commercial system should be easiest given how pro-public transport and 'anti-car' the entire set up and road system are there.

Any proposals like franchising are going to need more money (to pay for the greater levels of administration & cover the general inefficiencies that come from local government interference), be less responsive to customers (local government has never been good at the concept of choice, you may have a marginally better bus service level but it may not take you where you want to go because a bus service is a bus service and ticks the box from a council viewpoint) also because politicians respond to 'voters' (or at least the vocal minority/papers that purport to represent them) rather than the passengers who use the service who may not directly or at all elect the politician in question and slower to respond (councils simply don't make decisions quickly, or at all, unless forced by artificial outside deadlines and don't react quickly to requests for changes or improvements).  Unless a lot of extra money is coming in, when there would be a case for government to have greater control over how that is spent, something that no one in power seems to remotely be suggesting at any level then greater government interference is just going to make things work.

Very well put!!

Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: alan on November 09, 2018, 11:05:50 AM
Extremely well put!
In the early 70s in East Anglia the municipal undertakings were Gt Yarmouth, Lowestoft, Ipswich, Colchester & Southend. From my fading memory I think only Southend (a conservative run council) came anywhere near to breaking even financially, the others made huge losses subsidised by the tax payer one way or another. The three National Bus Companies Eastern Counties, Eastern National & United Counties were hardly models of efficiency, quite the opposite demanding huge support from the public purse through various ways & means & it was not always clear what the money was for; plus of course they also benefited from the new bus grant for vehicles used on only 50% of their mileage on stage work. They certainly leaned on independents & were big & powerful enough to usually win. Before National Travel they introduced the odd 10p fare on many of their express services thus making them stage services. I doubt if many passengers knew or took advantage of those 10p fares but I bet it helped with the Fuel Duty Rebate claims for stage carriage services! Most National Bus Companies I seem to recall also said that one in five of their vehicles was an "Engineering Spare". I wonder how that compares with Stagecoach or Arriva today???? Maybe vehicles are more reliable now or maybe not!
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steven Knight Media on November 14, 2018, 11:53:49 AM
Cambridge Reserve Fleet Tridents 18337 and 18339 transferred to North Scotland
Enviro 200s 36041/42 now at Cambridge (ex Bedford)
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: John Wakefield on November 16, 2018, 08:04:07 PM
Another example of how Stagecoach are not customer friendly.
I went to board a City 7 at Pampisford, White Horse today, the bus was in the stop awaiting time to depart back to Cambridge. I went to board but the driver said he did not pick up at that stop, the first stop being opposite Sawston Medical Centre some 400 yards down the road. When I questioned him as to why he said I would not be insured as it was not a scheduled stop on that service (I would add that it IS a stop on the service from Pampisford Village!)
So the City 7 does not pick up at the White Horse Pub at London Road, Pampisford on the journeys which terminate there, although the bus waits there for around 10 mins before starting its journey back to Cambridge.
The White Horse stop in a designated bus layby/stop with an adjoining shelter it would make good sense to start the service from there, that would avoid a 400 yard walk to the Medical Centre Stop were there is no shelter.
The White Horse was always the southern terminus of the 103 in Eastern Counties days so why not now? if its an insurance issue then surely all it needs is for the White Horse stop to be included on the timetable.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: Steves on November 17, 2018, 09:13:40 PM
Another example of how Stagecoach are not customer friendly.
I went to board a City 7 at Pampisford, White Horse today, the bus was in the stop awaiting time to depart back to Cambridge. I went to board but the driver said he did not pick up at that stop, the first stop being opposite Sawston Medical Centre some 400 yards down the road. When I questioned him as to why he said I would not be insured as it was not a scheduled stop on that service (I would add that it IS a stop on the service from Pampisford Village!)
So the City 7 does not pick up at the White Horse Pub at London Road, Pampisford on the journeys which terminate there, although the bus waits there for around 10 mins before starting its journey back to Cambridge.
The White Horse stop in a designated bus layby/stop with an adjoining shelter it would make good sense to start the service from there, that would avoid a 400 yard walk to the Medical Centre Stop were there is no shelter.
The White Horse was always the southern terminus of the 103 in Eastern Counties days so why not now? if its an insurance issue then surely all it needs is for the White Horse stop to be included on the timetable.
Seems to be an excuse that drivers generally use for not allowing passengers to board or alight where they are not supposed to.  You can understand this at traffic lights etc and I am pretty certain that is the reason for it.

I would bet that if you asked about it (and managed to get a response), Stagecoach would say that not extending the service officially to the White House is to allow extra time for reliability.  Whoever is there now is fixated on reliability to the exclusion of customer service.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: John Wakefield on November 26, 2018, 04:24:22 PM
Just heard back from Nigel Tarrant (Commercial Manager, Stagecoach East)
They will be making the change in the new year so that passengers are able to board and alight at the White Horse stop. This won't happen until the end of January keep an eye on Stagecoach website for the date of the change.

Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on December 17, 2018, 10:28:39 AM
27847 doing the 7s from Saffron Walden today
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on December 17, 2018, 02:11:56 PM
Plus 27851 doing 7s today around Saffron Walden
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on December 20, 2018, 11:29:03 AM
10:30 bus broke down in Saffron Walden is 27846 and they sorting it out now and 11:16 is lovely ride to Cambridge is 21226 good treat before Xmas
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on December 20, 2018, 11:59:55 AM
27855 on the 7s to pampisford
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on December 20, 2018, 12:31:21 PM
27846 been fixed and just left from addenbrooks hospital for Saffron Walden
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on December 20, 2018, 12:35:14 PM
27846 been fixed and just left from addenbrooks hospital for Saffron Walden plus 21228 for pampisford
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on December 20, 2018, 12:44:53 PM
27854 on 7 to sawston

Is it single decker bus day on citi 7  :D ;D ::)
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: John Wakefield on December 20, 2018, 04:13:53 PM
I have noticed more single deckers on the 7 lately, presumably passenger number are dropping,
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on December 20, 2018, 05:10:17 PM
Maybe as heading home on 27854 got about 16 seats left
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: TJWPSV on January 14, 2019, 08:43:11 PM
Does anybody know the current whereabouts / status of the open top Tridents which were displaced from the Cambridge City Sightseeing service last summer, please? All disappeared off the Stagecoach fleet cards at that time, seemingly without 'comment' (i.e. no movement to reserve or disposal), but as far as I can see, none have been reported elsewhere or surrendered their 'cherished' registrations and 17079 / 17274 / 17275 remain taxed [17078 / 17099 / 17276  are SORN].
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: chris johnson on January 14, 2019, 11:08:40 PM
all of Sightseeing buses of the old one out of disposal or gone by now when i was in Cambridge back in November there was 1 up in the yard think it was 1727? ones and not sure what happen to the overs
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
Post by: dennisdart on January 15, 2019, 10:03:25 AM
Does anybody know the current whereabouts / status of the open top Tridents which were displaced from the Cambridge City Sightseeing service last summer, please? All disappeared off the Stagecoach fleet cards at that time, seemingly without 'comment' (i.e. no movement to reserve or disposal), but as far as I can see, none have been reported elsewhere or surrendered their 'cherished' registrations and 17079 / 17274 / 17275 remain taxed [17078 / 17099 / 17276  are SORN].

According to the Steve Knight fleet allocation for January all the Trident open toppers are delicensed for disposal and are shown
as being located in Ely along with several others.
Title: Re: Stagecoach CAMBRIDGESHIRE happenings 2018
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Richard.