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Title: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on January 30, 2018, 08:17:10 PM
Stagecoach are reviewing their Norfolk operations by the looks of things

https://www.klfm967.co.uk/news/klfm-news/2491026/stagecoach-wont-provide-norfolk-bus-services/
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: barryb on January 30, 2018, 09:27:56 PM
I wish I could understand why they bought Norfolk Green in the first place, particularly given so much of it consisted of routes they'd previously abandoned...
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on January 30, 2018, 11:31:47 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/breaking-news-stagecoach-consulting-on-proposal-to-close-king-s-lynn-bus-depot-1-8356470

Quote
BREAKING NEWS: Stagecoach consulting on proposal to close King’s Lynn bus depot

Published: 17:15 Tuesday 30 January 2018

Bus operator Stagecoach has announced it is carrying out a review of its Norfolk operations, including the potential closure of its Lynn depot.

Managers say they have met with union representatives and launched a consultation exercise with staff.

The company says it is also working with Norfolk County Council on “steps to protect as much of the local network as possible.”

Stagecoach took over most of West Norfolk’s bus services when it bought Norfolk Green in 2013.

However, Andy Campbell, managing director of its eastern division, said this evening: “We are a significant local employer and we understand the importance of bus services for the local community. We also know that any change can be unsettling for our people.“

''That’s why we are working closely with both the trade union and local authority to protect as many jobs and as much of the local network as possible.“

We’re carrying out a consultation and will be working liaising closely with staff during that process.“

However, the reality is that we simply cannot sustain the current operation given the challenging economic climate that we’re faced with.”

The firm says staff could be relocated with other operators or elsewhere in the Stagecoach East business within the surrounding area.

Bosses say workers will be able to discuss their preferences over the coming weeks.

A Norfolk County Council spokesman said: “It’s disappointing that Stagecoach are considering no longer operating in West Norfolk and we are sorry to hear this news.

“However, we will work as closely as we can with them to ensure passengers are kept informed of changes and the network is covered by alternative providers as much as possible.”

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Tony on January 31, 2018, 05:59:53 PM
They will finish at the end of April....
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: al_557 on January 31, 2018, 06:20:15 PM
They will finish at the end of April....
Is that confirmed?

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on January 31, 2018, 06:58:56 PM
I believe that has been a date mentioned, also found out that Stagecoach are looking to keep the Spalding route amd possibly some in Cambridgeshire ie Wisbech, suppose this could go under the Peterborough
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on January 31, 2018, 07:00:15 PM
Also reported Steve Knight page that Konnectbus will take over the X29 between Fakenham and Norwich Monday to Saturday
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: dennisdart on January 31, 2018, 07:26:55 PM
A friend of mine who lives that way has the following information - as far as I am aware not yet confirmed by the companies concerned.

"Stagecoach Norfolk Green will retain the Long Sutton outstation which supplies buses for the 505 to Spalding and the Wisbech local services all of which they will continue to operate. They will also retain the 46 to March but otherwise will pull out of Kings Lynn. This will leave Lynx as the sole operator on the Hunstanton service. Lynx will also operate the X8 to Fakenham but the X29 from Fakenham-Norwich will pass to Konect. Lynx will also operate the Coasthopper but only as far as Wells with the section from Wells-Cromer being taken over by Sanders.

Some of the more lightly trafficked town services such as the 4 (Pandora Meadows) and the 5 (Gaywood Park) may be taken over by West Norfolk Community Transport using minibuses and some Solos. Not quite sure what will happen to the busier Kings Lynn routes such as Fairstead but Lynx must be the favourite to take these on. Speculation is rife as to whether they will acquire Stagecoach Norfolk Green's operating centre in Kings Lynn and/or any vehicles/staff"

I do not know how much of this is fact or fiction, but from some of the posts I have seen some of it appears to be fact.

I am sure there will be many more more rumours before the 90 days is up.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Tony on January 31, 2018, 09:08:34 PM
Is that confirmed?

In reply to someone on twitter they send they would end at the end of April.... 
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on January 31, 2018, 09:16:08 PM
A friend of mine who lives that way has the following information - as far as I am aware not yet confirmed by the companies concerned.

"Stagecoach Norfolk Green will retain the Long Sutton outstation which supplies buses for the 505 to Spalding and the Wisbech local services all of which they will continue to operate. They will also retain the 46 to March but otherwise will pull out of Kings Lynn. This will leave Lynx as the sole operator on the Hunstanton service. Lynx will also operate the X8 to Fakenham but the X29 from Fakenham-Norwich will pass to Konect. Lynx will also operate the Coasthopper but only as far as Wells with the section from Wells-Cromer being taken over by Sanders.

Some of the more lightly trafficked town services such as the 4 (Pandora Meadows) and the 5 (Gaywood Park) may be taken over by West Norfolk Community Transport using minibuses and some Solos. Not quite sure what will happen to the busier Kings Lynn routes such as Fairstead but Lynx must be the favourite to take these on. Speculation is rife as to whether they will acquire Stagecoach Norfolk Green's operating centre in Kings Lynn and/or any vehicles/staff"

I do not know how much of this is fact or fiction, but from some of the posts I have seen some of it appears to be fact.

I am sure there will be many more more rumours before the 90 days is up.

First group need new depot as well so Stagecoach might sell to the highest bidder lol

Lynx won't buy any vehicles from them that's 100% guaranteed
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Steves on February 01, 2018, 12:51:53 AM
A friend of mine who lives that way has the following information - as far as I am aware not yet confirmed by the companies concerned.

"Stagecoach Norfolk Green will retain the Long Sutton outstation which supplies buses for the 505 to Spalding and the Wisbech local services all of which they will continue to operate. They will also retain the 46 to March but otherwise will pull out of Kings Lynn. This will leave Lynx as the sole operator on the Hunstanton service. Lynx will also operate the X8 to Fakenham but the X29 from Fakenham-Norwich will pass to Konect. Lynx will also operate the Coasthopper but only as far as Wells with the section from Wells-Cromer being taken over by Sanders.

Some of the more lightly trafficked town services such as the 4 (Pandora Meadows) and the 5 (Gaywood Park) may be taken over by West Norfolk Community Transport using minibuses and some Solos. Not quite sure what will happen to the busier Kings Lynn routes such as Fairstead but Lynx must be the favourite to take these on. Speculation is rife as to whether they will acquire Stagecoach Norfolk Green's operating centre in Kings Lynn and/or any vehicles/staff"

I do not know how much of this is fact or fiction, but from some of the posts I have seen some of it appears to be fact.

I am sure there will be many more more rumours before the 90 days is up.

The speculation above seems plausible at the very least.  Surely the 505 must be profitable to maintain the frequency that it does including a Sunday service.  Hunstanton would have been more profitable without Lynx but Stagecoach must have come to the conclusion that it could not get rid of Lynx by either running it into bankruptcy or buying them out in any acceptable timescale. It is possible that they thought that any significant frequency reductions on the rest of the Norfolk network which they have been pursuing in Cambridgeshire would invite competition from Lynx  That would seem a fair bet as it was the way that Konect built up its network. Certainly Stagecoach East has become very risk averse recently.

From a Facebook post, it looks as if some of the detail of the handover of routes had been worked out in advance of the announcement.  It was certainly known that an announcement was coming.

The split of x29 and x8 and the Coasthopper doesn't bode well.  There were a surprising number of people who travelled across Fakenham when I travelled on the service a couple of years ago.  The driver then went round the bus collecting ENCTS passes and putting them through the machine for the x29 section.  Likewise, there is significant traffic across Wells.  If the two sections are run separately, it adds time or uncertainty into the journey which will put potential passengers off.  It also suggests that no company will have a Fakenham outstation.  The dead mileage contributed to the demise of the First service from Fakenham.

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 01, 2018, 02:53:32 AM
Sanders have an outstation in Fakenham whist Konnectbus is in Dereham

The 505 is a South Holland Council contract which specifies the frequency

There has been stories round here about the previous owner
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on February 01, 2018, 08:42:09 AM
The speculation above seems plausible at the very least.  Surely the 505 must be profitable to maintain the frequency that it does including a Sunday service.  Hunstanton would have been more profitable without Lynx but Stagecoach must have come to the conclusion that it could not get rid of Lynx by either running it into bankruptcy or buying them out in any acceptable timescale. It is possible that they thought that any significant frequency reductions on the rest of the Norfolk network which they have been pursuing in Cambridgeshire would invite competition from Lynx  That would seem a fair bet as it was the way that Konect built up its network. Certainly Stagecoach East has become very risk averse recently.

From a Facebook post, it looks as if some of the detail of the handover of routes had been worked out in advance of the announcement.  It was certainly known that an announcement was coming.

The split of x29 and x8 and the Coasthopper doesn't bode well.  There were a surprising number of people who travelled across Fakenham when I travelled on the service a couple of years ago.  The driver then went round the bus collecting ENCTS passes and putting them through the machine for the x29 section.  Likewise, there is significant traffic across Wells.  If the two sections are run separately, it adds time or uncertainty into the journey which will put potential passengers off.  It also suggests that no company will have a Fakenham outstation.  The dead mileage contributed to the demise of the First service from Fakenham.

In one of Stagecoach East managers bizarre decisions the Coasthopper is operated in those two stages because the E200MMCs are supposed to be too wide for some sections between Wells and Cromer.
Therefore a change to a Solo is required at Wells.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on February 01, 2018, 08:47:29 AM
Sanders have an outstation in Fakenham whist Konnectbus is in Dereham

The 505 is a South Holland Council contract which specifies the frequency

There has been stories round here about the previous owner
The 505 is part of the Lincolnshire Inter Connect network but is a commercial service.
The previous operators were Fowlers who pulled out of the route because Andrew Fowler did not like the County Council involvement that was to come from joining the Inter Connect system.
It was widely believed that Fowlers were to sell the route to First but Norfolk Green got wind of it and started their own service
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 01, 2018, 10:07:44 PM
In one of Stagecoach East managers bizarre decisions the Coasthopper is operated in those two stages because the E200MMCs are supposed to be too wide for some sections between Wells and Cromer.
Therefore a change to a Solo is required at Wells.

The MMC200S were due for Cambridge, they were painted into corporate colours but with a lot of breakdowns in Norfolk there was a change of plan, that's why they have the white roof
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Palatine One on February 01, 2018, 10:59:18 PM
I thought the MMC's were for the Coasthopper...?

Certainly nothing they would have been suitable for in Cambridge at the time, especially as they had only received a batch of E200's barely a year or two beforehand.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on February 02, 2018, 12:39:15 AM
I thought the MMC's were for the Coasthopper...?

Certainly nothing they would have been suitable for in Cambridge at the time, especially as they had only received a batch of E200's barely a year or two beforehand.
Well they did have a special livery designed for them and it was always said they were for the Coasthopper.
However it did seem a strange order but in line with other bizarre decisions from Cambridge towards this route
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on February 02, 2018, 12:49:25 AM
A friend of mine who lives that way has the following information - as far as I am aware not yet confirmed by the companies concerned.

"Stagecoach Norfolk Green will retain the Long Sutton outstation which supplies buses for the 505 to Spalding and the Wisbech local services all of which they will continue to operate. They will also retain the 46 to March but otherwise will pull out of Kings Lynn. This will leave Lynx as the sole operator on the Hunstanton service. Lynx will also operate the X8 to Fakenham but the X29 from Fakenham-Norwich will pass to Konect. Lynx will also operate the Coasthopper but only as far as Wells with the section from Wells-Cromer being taken over by Sanders.

Some of the more lightly trafficked town services such as the 4 (Pandora Meadows) and the 5 (Gaywood Park) may be taken over by West Norfolk Community Transport using minibuses and some Solos. Not quite sure what will happen to the busier Kings Lynn routes such as Fairstead but Lynx must be the favourite to take these on. Speculation is rife as to whether they will acquire Stagecoach Norfolk Green's operating centre in Kings Lynn and/or any vehicles/staff"

I do not know how much of this is fact or fiction, but from some of the posts I have seen some of it appears to be fact.

I am sure there will be many more more rumours before the 90 days is up.

A little bit of thought to the above regarding the 505.
The route is profitable but would Stagecoach want to hang on to it in isolation.
At present the main servicing is done at Kings Lynn and all outstation buses are rostered so they get to Kings Lynn.
If Long Sutton, which is a builders yard, stays where would the main servicing be done.
Lincolnshire Road Car operated the route profitably after deregulation even with competition from Fowlers.
However when the main servicing garage at Boston closed the route and Holbeach garage were sold to Fowlers
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 02, 2018, 07:53:45 AM
The buses will be maintained at Peterborough I would have thought, Peterborough run a service to Spalding, they could link it up

They said the depot in Kings Lynn may close they could keep that open or should I say one side of the road
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Steven Knight Media on February 02, 2018, 05:10:03 PM
I thought the MMC's were for the Coasthopper...?

Certainly nothing they would have been suitable for in Cambridge at the time, especially as they had only received a batch of E200's barely a year or two beforehand.

The Enviro 200MMCs were always ordered for Coasthopper. There was never a suggestion they were for anywhere else.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on February 03, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
A little bit of thought to the above regarding the 505.
The route is profitable but would Stagecoach want to hang on to it in isolation.
At present the main servicing is done at Kings Lynn and all outstation buses are rostered so they get to Kings Lynn.
If Long Sutton, which is a builders yard, stays where would the main servicing be done.
Lincolnshire Road Car operated the route profitably after deregulation even with competition from Fowlers.
However when the main servicing garage at Boston closed the route and Holbeach garage were sold to Fowlers

If not aware there is a very entertaining blog from someone who calls himself fbb at
http://publictransportexperience.blogspot.co.uk/
He has just covered the Kings Lynn goings on but also found some info on First Norwich intentions to extend a route to Fakenham in April
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: John on February 04, 2018, 03:07:48 AM
How on earth does Lynx make a profit?
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 04, 2018, 09:25:32 AM
This is interesting, on Firsts website they have announced an extention of their service 29 from Taverham to run as far as Fakenham which will be the X29 starting from 2nd April, also on Konnectbus site they have announced a new service between Fakenham and Norwich which starts April 18th but don't give a service number1
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 04, 2018, 09:49:20 AM
How on earth does Lynx make a profit?

They are targeting council and school contracts, they have taken all the ones they have gone in for by undercutting Stagecoach,
Title: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: RM471 on February 05, 2018, 07:57:35 PM
Lynx are planning to take their routes and are looking for more drivers and support staff

http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/news/press-release/ (http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/news/press-release/)
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 05, 2018, 08:44:49 PM
Lynx are planning to take their routes and are looking for more drivers and support staff

http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/news/press-release/ (http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/news/press-release/)

They are going to run the Coasthopper as far as Wells, the Wells to Fakenham route and Fakenham to King's Lynn

I also suspect they will run the Fairstead and possibly North Wooton services

I have an inkling that one of the 35s will go round the Sandringham estate they they might renumber that one
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: cesar on February 05, 2018, 09:28:13 PM
Well, quite. Wouldn't want to leave Her Majesty without a bus service, would One?
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on February 05, 2018, 11:23:00 PM
Lynx are planning to take their routes and are looking for more drivers and support staff

http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/news/press-release/ (http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/news/press-release/)

I can hear Julian Patterson saying - everything went to plan - second large company stuffed
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 06, 2018, 08:44:54 AM
I can hear Julian Patterson saying - everything went to plan - second large company stuffed

Not just the company stuffed its the passengers as well, I doubt many people will pay £20 to go on the Coasthopper to Sheringham, I for one won't I will take the car
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: skyLink on February 06, 2018, 07:44:22 PM
There is alot of keyboard warrior moaning about and slagging lynx off. and I Know for a fact the management of Lynx are on this group.

i would like to Highlight the Problems Stagecoach has caused to the Norfolk foke with strikes, services not running, cancelling services that lynx then picked up on behalf of N.C.C.  not to mention the balls up with the coasthopper

Also I'm reliably informed that they inspected stagecoach's tempos and turned them down due to condition. 

so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public.

for the record  these are my veiws and im not coming down on one side but some one needs to stand up for the local guys
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on February 07, 2018, 12:49:16 AM
There is alot of keyboard warrior moaning about and slagging lynx off. and I Know for a fact the management of Lynx are on this group.

i would like to Highlight the Problems Stagecoach has caused to the Norfolk foke with strikes, services not running, cancelling services that lynx then picked up on behalf of N.C.C.  not to mention the balls up with the coasthopper

Also I'm reliably informed that they inspected stagecoach's tempos and turned them down due to condition. 

so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public.

for the record  these are my veiws and im not coming down on one side but some one needs to stand up for the local guys

Well fair comment if it was all accurate. Would be interesting to know "cancelling services that lynx then picked up on behalf of N.C.C. - which are these services
Why are Lynx on here if not to answer comments and correct the wrong ones.
I commented last winter, after Lynx lost the winter Coasthopper tender when Stagecoach decided to run it commercially, why not run a 2 hourly service yourselves to provide a hourly service, but no answer came so public service is out.
Why did they start their Hunstanton service running just in front of the Stagecoach services, not much service with two buses in a couple of minutes followed by a gap.
Lynx with their lower costs were always going to take all of the Stagecoach tendered services but some of their bids were amazing.
On the 37 they not only undercut Stagecoach but also another operator.
It is to be hoped that profits are forthcoming, as they still have losses and there has been so many company failures recently due to low tender bids which then fall back on the tax payer
With regard to service, lets see what is retained on the Hunstanton route when they have it on their own because at present do not consider travel towards Hunstanton after 6pm with Lynx.
It was clear from the start what the strategy of Lynx was because it had been used before by Konnect and of course Norfolk Green themselves who pushed First out of Kings Lynn exc X1.
However they have been assisted in their aims by the most inept Stagecoach management it is possible to witness.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Spoddendale on February 08, 2018, 09:13:20 AM
RouteOne magazine dated 7 February 2018 contains an item on the Stagecoach withdrawal from Norfolk:

http://www.route-one.net/magazines/emag/routeone726/#/10/

David
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 08, 2018, 01:33:17 PM
RouteOne magazine dated 7 February 2018 contains an item on the Stagecoach withdrawal from Norfolk:

http://www.route-one.net/magazines/emag/routeone726/#/10/

David

Interesting the report says that they will run the Wisbech and March buses from its Long Sutton and Ely depot, I guess there will be an Ely to March service in the morning then the bus will run the 46 and 56 all day
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Steves on February 09, 2018, 10:34:17 AM
Interesting the report says that they will run the Wisbech and March buses from its Long Sutton and Ely depot, I guess there will be an Ely to March service in the morning then the bus will run the 46 and 56 all day

I think I read that Stagecoach are dropping the 46 but retaining 56.

The March garage certainly used to have an Ely outstation vehicle based there as well as vehicles from Fenstanton and Peterborough. 

Random thought:  don't these different depots have different pay rates?  That would not matter very much if all the drivers' work during the day was on the main depot's routes so for Ely on the 9 etc. but it would be less tenable if drivers working the Wisbech services were paid differently depending on which depot they were attached to even if they were working the same routes.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Palatine One on February 09, 2018, 06:23:34 PM
I'd assume when they say "Ely" they're lumping the March outstation in with that.

Not sure how much traffic there would be for a Ely>March service at peak. One would speculate that the Wisbech-March service won't last long, considering Stagecoach dropped it before after absorbing Huntingdon and District (Scarily, approaching 10 years ago now!)

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Cheltonian on February 09, 2018, 09:11:20 PM
Used to use a Metroliner at peak times on this journey to March and Neale Wade school and it was full
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 09, 2018, 11:04:34 PM
I'd assume when they say "Ely" they're lumping the March outstation in with that.

Not sure how much traffic there would be for a Ely>March service at peak. One would speculate that the Wisbech-March service won't last long, considering Stagecoach dropped it before after absorbing Huntingdon and District (Scarily, approaching 10 years ago now!)

If nobody takes on the 46 and Stagecoach keep the Neal Wade contract there would be no reason get rid of the 56,

Most users of the 46 between March and Wisbech will be forced to use the 56 instead,

The 46 is not an attractive prospect between March and Guyhirn as there a few no passengers, those that live within the area of the Shell garage will use the X1 so in reality the 46 wouldn't collect any fares until Wisbech St Mary
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: gc_bus on February 28, 2018, 09:02:14 AM
What a sad confirmation of a former phoenix that once was Norfolk Green.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Spoddendale on February 28, 2018, 10:37:58 AM
'Notices and Proceedings' 2312 dated 28 February 2018 contains the following applications:

Section 3.5 – Cancellations of Existing Services

PF0001611/14 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wisbech and Wisbech given service number 966 / 66 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/97 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Grimston/East Winch and Springwood High School given service number 48ABC / 48C effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/10 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wisbech and Downham Market given service number 60 / 60 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/93 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Downham Market and Swaffham given service number 53 / 53 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/104 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wisbech and March given service number 946A / 46 / X46 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/64 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wisbech and Benwick given service number 56ca / 56 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/8 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Hunstanton and Wells Next The Sea given service number CH2 / CH effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/103 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cromer and Wells-Next-The-Sea given service number CH3 / CH effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/88 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Sutton Bridge and Spalding given service number NG01_03 / NG1 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/33 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Fakenham and Holt given service number X8A / X29 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/45 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Fakenham and Norwich given service number X29 / X29 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/95 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wells Next The Sea and Fakenham given service number 29 / 29 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/94 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Swaffham and Easton College given service number 52 / 52 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/59 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between North Elmham and Reepham High School given service number 414 / 414 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/43 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between King's Lynn and Fakenham given service number X8B / X29 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/51 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between King's Lynn and Hunstanton given service number CH1 / H / D / R / E effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/4 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Walpole St Peter given service number 55 / 55 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/1 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Wisbech given service number 946 / 46 / X46 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/46 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Fairstead given service number 901 / 1 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/60 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and North Lynn given service number 902 / 2 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/74 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Gaywood Park given service number 905 / 5 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/87 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between King's Lynn and Hardwick given service number 906 / 6 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/54 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Pandora given service number 904 / 4 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/72 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and North Wootton given service number 903 / 3 effective from 29 April 2018.

David
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: skyLink on February 28, 2018, 10:52:10 PM
So keeping 10 11 and 505
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 01, 2018, 08:16:16 AM
So keeping 10 11 and 505

No there is no 10 and 11, they changed the 10 to CH H and the 11 to CH R
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 01, 2018, 08:17:20 AM
I can hear Julian Patterson saying - everything went to plan - second large company stuffed

Do you think he will change the colour of the buses from red to green
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 01, 2018, 08:21:50 AM
Interesting there will be two X29 running between Fakenham amd Norwich one by Stagecoach the other by First using the same number then a third operator Konnectbus running the same service as well (service number unknown) so all in all 3 operators
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 01, 2018, 08:58:28 AM
The X29 between Fakenham and Norwich is on the withdrawal list.

Not on the list with the 505 is route 50.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 01, 2018, 09:11:14 AM
The X29 between Fakenham and Norwich is on the withdrawal list.

Not on the list with the 505 is route 50.

Finishes on the 29th April

First start the X29 on the 1st April on the same route and Konnectbus start their service on the 16th
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 01, 2018, 09:37:24 AM
Oh yes, I had forgotten that start date - Thanks

On the other post regarding the 505 and 50 not being on the withdrawal list, these are mostly worked by the Long Sutton outstation.

It will be interesting to see if the 50 is extended to cover some withdrawn Wisbech routes.

Still time for the N&Ps
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: TCD813 on March 01, 2018, 10:47:58 AM
Interesting there will be two X29 running between Fakenham amd Norwich one by Stagecoach the other by First using the same number then a third operator Konnectbus running the same service as well (service number unknown) so all in all 3 operators

Gosh! The benefits of the de-regulated ‘free market’!

Fierce competition over a limited selection of potentially profitable routes, whilst the rest can go to hell in a handcart.

Correction: public subsidies for all handcarts to be withdrawn in latest local authority budget.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Steven Knight Media on March 01, 2018, 11:43:45 AM
So keeping 10 11 and 505

I suspect that we will see some services registered to the Cambus Licence with the Long Sutton outststion also being added as an operating centre of Cambus. This would allow the Go West Travel licence to be surrendered and the Limited Company put into a dormant status
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: barryb on March 01, 2018, 10:50:24 PM
Ok... I'm taking bets*...

- Length of time for Stagecoach to take over Lynx?  :D

I'm going with 3 years.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 02, 2018, 03:10:27 AM
Ok... I'm taking bets*...

- Length of time for Stagecoach to take over Lynx?  :D

I'm going with 3 years.

I doubt it, Lynx will have trouble selling it, besides I think some of the problem is Norfolk County Council
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 02, 2018, 08:43:27 PM
Stagecoach have registered the following routes to operate from April 30

45 Kings Lynn - Walpole St Peter
50 variation Long Sutton - Wisbech - 30 April
56 Wisbech - Benwick -
66 Wisbech Circular
NG1 Sutton Bridge - Spalding - schools
505 variation from 29 April

They should appear in the N&Ps 7 March
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 03, 2018, 12:57:31 AM
Stagecoach have registered the following routes to operate from April 30

45 Kings Lynn - Walpole St Peter
50 variation Long Sutton - Wisbech - 30 April
56 Wisbech - Benwick -
66 Wisbech Circular
NG1 Sutton Bridge - Spalding - schools
505 variation from 29 April

They should appear in the N&Ps 7 March

Are they under Cambus instead of Go West
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 03, 2018, 07:20:22 AM
They are under Go West

Lynx of course have not been idling and have registered variations to the Kings Lynn - Hunstanton routes.

Strangely they have registered a variation to 36 but have also put in a new application for it.

They have also put in registrations for new routes 42 43 43A 46 X46 and 49, however no route details are shown.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 03, 2018, 06:27:59 PM
They are under Go West

Lynx of course have not been idling and have registered variations to the Kings Lynn - Hunstanton routes.

Strangely they have registered a variation to 36 but have also put in a new application for it.

They have also put in registrations for new routes 42 43 43A 46 X46 and 49, however no route details are shown.

Interesting about the 46, could their next target be First

Also one question comes to mind, if they have registered under Go West what would they be known as, be silly if they continue with Stagecoach in Norfolk when they don't run any services
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 08, 2018, 01:06:35 PM
https://www.lynnnews.co.uk/news/deal-announced-to-save-west-norfolk-bus-services-1-8406495
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: ChilternRover on March 08, 2018, 05:28:43 PM
If 46 only goes as far as Wisbech, Wisbech St Mary/Rings End will have no bus service at all - just a thought.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 08, 2018, 06:05:29 PM
If 46 only goes as far as Wisbech, Wisbech St Mary/Rings End will have no bus service at all - just a thought.

Rings End can walk round the corner to Shell garage and get the X1, 10 minute walk

The 46 route is finished altogether, Lynn to Wisbech and Wisbech to March
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: ChilternRover on March 08, 2018, 07:05:28 PM
Not my understanding from Lynx
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 08, 2018, 08:56:26 PM
https://www.norfolk.gov.uk/roads-and-transport/public-transport/buses/stagecoach
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 08, 2018, 09:14:53 PM
Another strange event is on the Stagecoach Cambus listing showing cancellation of routes NG1, 45 and 66 from 30 April.
As there appears to be no registration from Cambus  for them how on earth can they cancel them
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: ChilternRover on March 09, 2018, 08:34:54 AM
Lynn News also says 46 not a gonner apparently - lol.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 09, 2018, 09:08:25 AM
Lynn News also says 46 not a gonner apparently - lol.

Yes, as shown in the Norfolk County Council link - open the link and click on "can be downloaded here" from my earlier message the 46 between Lynn and Wisbech is to be operated by Lynx and the section between Wisbech and March is still being looked at by Cambridgeshire County Council
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 09, 2018, 03:10:30 PM
Yes, as shown in the Norfolk County Council link - open the link and click on "can be downloaded here" from my earlier message the 46 between Lynn and Wisbech is to be operated by Lynx and the section between Wisbech and March is still being looked at by Cambridgeshire County Council

Would that be financially viable for Lynx, it's longer than the X1 and covers most the same route
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 12, 2018, 08:42:23 PM
New timetables are published on their website, interesting is the Lynn to Fakenham only 2 hourly and nothing on Sunday, I probably expect this to go hourly once they are sorted but the no Sunday service looks the way forward, should have buses available on a Sunday if they have any intention of running them
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 12, 2018, 11:09:44 PM
Yes, here we go.

I wonder what Skylink and the two who gave him a thank you for the comments, amongst others
 "so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public".

Hourly service down to two hourly and no Sunday service - now who was providing the public service

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: skyLink on March 13, 2018, 05:18:57 PM
Yes, here we go.

I wonder what Skylink and the two who gave him a thank you for the comments, amongst others
 "so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public".

Hourly service down to two hourly and no Sunday service - now who was providing the public service

At least it's a replacement and for a local opp they didn't have to do anything. Also they still have a service. Sadly you have to make a little money to stay in business.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: TCD813 on March 13, 2018, 06:19:39 PM
New timetables are published on their website, interesting is the Lynn to Fakenham only 2 hourly and nothing on Sunday, I probably expect this to go hourly once they are sorted but the no Sunday service looks the way forward, should have buses available on a Sunday if they have any intention of running them

Lynxbus Service changes from 28th April (http://www.lynxbus.co.uk/news/service-changes-28th-april/)

Yes, here we go.

I wonder what Skylink and the two who gave him a thank you for the comments, amongst others
 "so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public".

Hourly service down to two hourly and no Sunday service - now who was providing the public service

I think 'was' is the key word here. NG when independent, and in the early (stand-alone) days of Stagecoach's ownership, were a much-loved, much-respected company.

Trawl back through the Stagecoach Norfolk boards and see the way that members felt about the way the operation was going under the auspices of Cowley Road.

At least it's a replacement and for a local opp they didn't have to do anything. Also they still have a service. Sadly you have to make a little money to stay in business.

I'd be surprised if a Sunday King's Lynn to Fakenham route would be profitable. It's hardly a tourist route like King's Lynn to Hunstanton and Wells-next-the-Sea.

And where are Stagecoach's Sunday Services between Cambridge - Royston - Ely - Newmarket - Bury St Edmunds?

It's becoming increasingly obvious that the de-regulated model for provision of bus services (competition in the market) is no longer serving the interests of the travelling public (if it ever did). Franchising (competition for the market) could be the key to the revival of bus usage.

Whippet's MD, Charlie Hamilton, is in favour of franchising – indeed has lobbied the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority mayor, James Palmer, to introduce it.

Stagecoach's Andy Campbell is solidly against (His own view, or orders from Perth?) pointing to the expense of TfL's operations.

Whenever Andy Campbell shows his A4 photo of TfL's HQ as an argument against Bus Franchising, I'm tempted to respond with photos of Stagecoach's co-founder AnnieGloag's two castles. But that would be a cheap jibe, wouldn't it? So would photos of the former Southdown Bognor Regis bus station and the Hants & Dorset Southampton bus station.

For a mixed urban-rural area such as Cambridgeshire and Peterborough, the Jersey model would offer a better guide than TfL.

Jersey model of bus franchising – HCT Group (http://hctgroup.org/uploaded/Practical%20bus%20franchising%20-%20the%20Jersey%20model.pdf)
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: dwarfer1979 on March 14, 2018, 09:08:40 AM
It's becoming increasingly obvious that the de-regulated model for provision of bus services (competition in the market) is no longer serving the interests of the travelling public (if it ever did). Franchising (competition for the market) could be the key to the revival of bus usage.

Whippet's MD, Charlie Hamilton, is in favour of franchising – indeed has lobbied the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority mayor, James Palmer, to introduce it.

Stagecoach's Andy Campbell is solidly against (His own view, or orders from Perth?) pointing to the expense of TfL's operations.

Whenever Andy Campbell shows his A4 photo of TfL's HQ as an argument against Bus Franchising, I'm tempted to respond with photos of Stagecoach's co-founder AnnieGloag's two castles. But that would be a cheap jibe, wouldn't it? So would photos of the former Southdown Bognor Regis bus station and the Hants & Dorset Southampton bus station.

For a mixed urban-rural area such as Cambridgeshire and Peterborough, the Jersey model would offer a better guide than TfL.

Jersey model of bus franchising – HCT Group (http://hctgroup.org/uploaded/Practical%20bus%20franchising%20-%20the%20Jersey%20model.pdf)
Whippet would be lobbying for franchising, they are owned by a foreign multi-national whose entire business model elsewhere is in a contracted/franchising environment and given their recent commercial service cutbacks they don't appear to be comfortable in the current environment and bought the company on the assumption that franchising/contracting would be implemented.  Stagecoach likewise are holding a position that reflects the particular strengths and preferences of their owning group towards a deregulated model.

London is not the great panacea, it is currently facing financial issues (the bus operations and losing millions of pounds and TfLs funding is facing a massive cut) and passenger numbers are currently dropping as fast as many other places.  HCT have been making great claims for their management of the Jersey contract but to do so they have been talking down the previous operator Connex who ran the services under a contract to the Jersey government just as HCT do now, as with the deregulated market it isn't so much the market model but in the quality of the operator involved (& with contracting the quality of the contract specified by the council, and British government at all levels have shown continued & sustained incompetence when it comes to writing & specifying contracts like this).

Franchising has its place but is only really a realistic if the local authority has extra money to invest in the network otherwise it really offers nothing more than the current system than less flexibility and slower reaction to changes but with extra costs as the council will by necessity need to increase staffing in specialist areas (or hiring consultants) duplicating staff functions that the bus operators will also have.  Currently Shire councils such as you suggest would be better off introducing franchising are currently cutting any non-core funding and are seriously running out of money, Northamptonshire are the latest to announce they are withdrawing all supported bus services (from July) having effectively run out of money last month.  Currently no local authorities have the money to properly pay for the set-up costs of such a scheme much less to provide the on-going funding to offer the improvements that are claimed for the system, and forget the claimed profits the industry makes because they really don't most are barely making any (most operators including major groups such as First are making less than 5% margins and that is before you include ongoing investment in equipment) and even the best (of which Stagecoach subsidiaries are a large component) barely make double-figures.  These are the sort of returns that would in most other industries be seen as a systematic issue that needed to be fixed and was unsustainable, the rail operators who rarely get above 3% profit margin is one of the few I know of who do even worse.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: ChilternRover on March 15, 2018, 03:30:57 PM
Ref : The Stagecoach Route 46 and duplication of the First X1, let us look at the route :-

Kings Lynn to South Lynn, Saddlebow, Wiggenhall, Tilney cum Islington, Tilney St Lawrence - served by 46 but no X1s

then Terrington St John, Walpole Highway, Walton Highway served by 46 but half hourly  X1s morphed into  hourly XLs an, d if Your Local Paper is to be believed, the St Johns native passengers are most unhappy!

then West Walton - served only by the 46 and larger than Walpole St Peter which is still to be served by the other company. Lynx already in here doing excellent job on two Marshland school buses.

Walsoken - only 46 if you live up Walton Road

and so to Wisbech

After Wisbech, but in Cambs now, Wisbech St Mary is 46 only as is Rings End. The idea Rings End folk can toddle round the corner and catch an XL is wishfull thinking as most people I know look to March rather than Wisbech or Peterborough.

So there are passengers all down the route waiting. All it needs is a cute RED bus  company to retime the 46 to run 30 minutes away from the XLs on the core part and perfection is achieved for all and sundry! Anyone know of such a cute savvy RED bus company?
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: skyLink on March 15, 2018, 05:44:34 PM
Taken from.the Stagecoach website. Are they not chuckling in the x29 between Lynn and Fakenham now ??

Service Changes - Norfolk - 3 April 2018
13 Mar 2018 to 05 May 2018
From Tuesday 3rd April 2018, the X29 will no longer operate between Fakenham and Norwich. This section of route will be provided by First (https://www.firstgroup.com/norfolk-suffolk/news-and-service-updates/news). Existing scholars tickets will be accepted by First.

 

Between King’s Lynn and Fakenham the timetable will remain unchanged.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 15, 2018, 06:32:34 PM
Taken from.the Stagecoach website. Are they not chuckling in the x29 between Lynn and Fakenham now ??

Service Changes - Norfolk - 3 April 2018
13 Mar 2018 to 05 May 2018
From Tuesday 3rd April 2018, the X29 will no longer operate between Fakenham and Norwich. This section of route will be provided by First (https://www.firstgroup.com/norfolk-suffolk/news-and-service-updates/news). Existing scholars tickets will be accepted by First.

 

Between King’s Lynn and Fakenham the timetable will remain unchanged.

Looks like the Fakenham to Norwich section will be run from 3rd April not Stagecoach, they will continue the Kings Lynn section until 28th when Lynx will take over

Its not looking good in terms of cost, First alone want £4.80 return for Fakenham to Norwich if Lynx want more than £1 return for their section it could be unviable, I will take the car instead

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 22, 2018, 11:12:34 PM
Just thought I would add this, new times and services West Norfolk Transport now operate from 29th April

https://www.wnct.co.uk/bus-services/go-to-town-from-29-04-18/
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Spoddendale on March 23, 2018, 07:37:38 PM
Anyone know what type of vehicles will be used on the King's Lynn town services?

I am only familiar with the Sprinters that I have seen on the rural runs to Docking etc.

David
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: John on March 27, 2018, 09:50:40 AM
The ex Connex guys in North Norfolk aka Lynx new what they were up to......
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 27, 2018, 07:59:06 PM
Anyone know what type of vehicles will be used on the King's Lynn town services?

I am only familiar with the Sprinters that I have seen on the rural runs to Docking etc.

David

In the EDP they it was said they have spent £1m on the new venture and that includes 9 new buses and a new yard

Its a tricky one because the town services they have taken over they could get away with a sprinter, hence why Lynx hasn't took them on, however when Stagecoach announced withdrawal they did initially say they were looking at buying some Solos, whether that's still the case or not I don't know but one thing is certain £1m won't buy 9 brand new ones as they retail around £125k to £150k each depending who is buying them
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Steves on March 27, 2018, 09:22:38 PM
The WNCT press news shows 7 new and 2 older vehicles:

"The fund has been put together in order to buy a new depot, offices and maintenance area at Old Meadow Road, Hardwick, plus nine full size buses, all of which will be fully accessible, and all but two of which will have ’18 plate registrations and should be delivered from their British builders in time for the launch date."  That would reduce the cost a bit but buying a depot is surely not cheap.  Did it used to belong to someone else in transport? 
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on March 28, 2018, 12:22:38 AM
The WNCT press news shows 7 new and 2 older vehicles:

"The fund has been put together in order to buy a new depot, offices and maintenance area at Old Meadow Road, Hardwick, plus nine full size buses, all of which will be fully accessible, and all but two of which will have ’18 plate registrations and should be delivered from their British builders in time for the launch date."  That would reduce the cost a bit but buying a depot is surely not cheap.  Did it used to belong to someone else in transport?


Has anyone noted that one of the directors of WNCT is a Mr Benjamin Colson.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: ChilternRover on March 28, 2018, 07:37:16 PM
Certainly gives confidence!
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: TCD813 on March 28, 2018, 08:22:24 PM
Good evening, all.

I’m not criticising, because nothing is really off-topic, but at some point, shortly, we will need to start a couple of entirely new threads under the independent operators board:


At the moment, as most of this discussion is of which Stagecoach in Norfolk services are been retained, which are being replaced by Lynx, and which by WNCT, this seems the best thread.

But maybe details of vehicle acquisitions by Lynx or by WNCT would be more appropriately posted on new threads.

Feel free to start these off whenever you like, folks.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on April 03, 2018, 10:46:23 PM
It always assumed that the Coasthopper Enviro 200MMC could not be run east of Wells.
Today one was in service east of Cley Next the Sea


The route 505 timetables are shown as Stagecoach East
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 03, 2018, 11:26:59 PM
It always assumed that the Coasthopper Enviro 200MMC could not be run east of Wells.
Today one was in service east of Cley Next the Sea


The route 505 timetables are shown as Stagecoach East

The MMC200s have been known to run through to Cromer but not very often, only when they don't have another bus

Its tight on Stiffkey Bridge and through Cley, if they don't meet any cars coming the other way and/or minimal cars parked in Cley they get through if not it takes a while whilst they shunt around

They have sent a Enviro 300 through before, I did upload a picture of it at Sheringham the driver said they shouldnt have sent that through
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on April 05, 2018, 11:31:39 PM
Route 46 March to Wisbech to be operated by Stagecoach until at least August

http://www.wisbechstandard.co.uk/news/stagecoach-bus-service-saved-1-5465378
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 06, 2018, 07:27:38 PM
Just seen Enviro 400 on the 18:35 ex Fakenham to Wells, went to Wells to get a photo only to see MMC200 on the 19:05 to Fakenham, just as I was driving away the E400 turned up at Buttlands

Strange working but does anyone know if its a daily working
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: ChilternRover on April 07, 2018, 05:23:16 PM
As we travelled back from Glasgow Uni today, my daughter and I were pleased to see Trident 17787 in Norfolk Green colours crossing Sutton Bridge at 15.30 on a 505 to Spalding.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on April 08, 2018, 10:12:08 AM
As we travelled back from Glasgow Uni today, my daughter and I were pleased to see Trident 17787 in Norfolk Green colours crossing Sutton Bridge at 15.30 on a 505 to Spalding.

Not up to date on liveries but thought everything was now in Stagecoach livery.

All the services to be operated from Long Sutton are registered under Go West Travel which operated as Norfolk Green.

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on April 08, 2018, 10:30:20 AM
Just been informed that in late 2017, 177787 was in the Stagecoach themed Norfolk Green livery.

That is with the green swirls at the back and not original Norfolk Green.

Perhaps ChiltonRover could confirm this.

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 08, 2018, 12:06:00 PM
Just been informed that in late 2017, 177787 was in the Stagecoach themed Norfolk Green livery.

That is with the green swirls at the back and not original Norfolk Green.

Perhaps ChiltonRover could confirm this.

It is the Stagecoach varient, I think that is the only one left now if 17786 isn't still on the road

The remaining East Lancs has gone into corporate colours, Kermit has been withdrawn along with the LV52 HHP and LV52 HHR have been withdrawn
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: dennisdart on April 08, 2018, 05:08:36 PM
Just testing that I can post pictures. This was the scene in Kings Lynn bus station
on Thursday when one of the ex Peterborough E400s had failed.

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 08, 2018, 05:49:59 PM
Charlie's have been recovering two buses a day for a long time, if there is anybody sorry to see Slavecoach go it will be them
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: ChilternRover on April 08, 2018, 09:33:47 PM
Went to Baytree at Spalding on Tuesday last and noted unidentified Trident being put on suspended tow by possibly the same vehicle at the Long Sutton BP garage roundabout at 13.15 hrs.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 24, 2018, 08:14:41 PM
Are they closing the yard in Lynn or going to keep it for the Spalding buses, and does anyone else know what they will be known as, suppose it will be silly calling themselves Stagecoach in Norfolk when they don't run any services, perhaps Stagecoach in Long Sutton or Spalding
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: AE51VFX (Jonny) on April 25, 2018, 02:49:46 AM
Are they closing the yard in Lynn or going to keep it for the Spalding buses, and does anyone else know what they will be known as, suppose it will be silly calling themselves Stagecoach in Norfolk when they don't run any services, perhaps Stagecoach in Long Sutton or Spalding

They are closing Kings Lynn yards and the Long Sutton bus depot will become an outstation of Peterborough.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: rm clippie on April 25, 2018, 08:38:48 AM
where will  the wisbech services run from long Sutton or Peterborough.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
Post by: linkyyork on April 25, 2018, 09:13:36 AM
They are closing Kings Lynn yards and the Long Sutton bus depot will become an outstation of Peterborough.

The "depot" at Long Sutton is an outstation at MRK PLANT HIRE, 53 LIME WALK, LONG SUTTON, SPALDING, PE12 9HG, GB for 20 vehicles so there will be limited facilities for an increase or for servicing etc.

Unconfirmed report I was given is that some Wisbech services will be operated from March - note unconfirmed.

In todays N&Ps is
PF0001611/110   GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN
From: Wisbech
To: March
Via:
Name or No.: 46 / 46
Service type: Normal Stopping
Effective date: 30 April 2018
Other details: New service awarded under contract

All retained services are registered under Go West Travel