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Title: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 04, 2018, 06:22:24 PM
Just wondering what will happen to the Norfolk fleet, where the buses will go which ones will be withdrawn

I think the 6 Enviro 300s, will go to Peterborough to replace the MANs, both East Lancs Tridents and the Green ALX400s will be withdrawn

I am guessing that the coasthopper MMC200s and Solo SRs will be heading to Bedford paint shop in the coming weeks
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: skyLink on February 04, 2018, 10:32:29 PM
Just wondering what will happen to the Norfolk fleet, where the buses will go which ones will be withdrawn

I think the 6 Enviro 300s, will go to Peterborough to replace the MANs, both East Lancs Tridents and the Green ALX400s will be withdrawn

I am guessing that the coasthopper MMC200s and Solo SRs will be heading to Bedford paint shop in the coming weeks

Slow down. You don't know what service there keeping yet.
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 05, 2018, 01:42:28 AM
Slow down. You don't know what service there keeping yet.

Coasthopper, Town services and X29 are 100% gone and they are keeping 505, Wisbech Town and 46,
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: al_557 on February 05, 2018, 04:21:40 AM
Just wondering what will happen to the Norfolk fleet, where the buses will go which ones will be withdrawn

I think the 6 Enviro 300s, will go to Peterborough to replace the MANs, both East Lancs Tridents and the Green ALX400s will be withdrawn

I am guessing that the coasthopper MMC200s and Solo SRs will be heading to Bedford paint shop in the coming weeks
Logically the solo srs and Enviro200MMCs should go to Bedford to replace older solos and darts there. Like you say Enviro 300s to Peterbrough. Some Enviro 400s and a few solos to Peterborough for the 505, 46 and wisbech towns. Any remaining Enviro 400s to Bedford or Fenstanton to replace ALX400 Tridents. Thats my view on what might happen
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: rm clippie on February 05, 2018, 08:28:26 AM
whats  is the p.v. r for 505 service.
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 05, 2018, 08:53:02 AM
Is there any space at March for more buses, ie to cover the 46 and 56
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 05, 2018, 08:56:25 AM
whats  is the p.v. r for 505 service.

Not sure what PVR is but if it's what types of buses they can use I think it is anything, mostly deckers but they have used Enviro 300s, and Tempos on it
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Steven Knight Media on February 05, 2018, 09:11:10 AM
I believe 505s still interwork with KL-Hunstanton services so it is not easy to get work out total PVR for the 505.

I am not convinced on E200MMCs for Bedford but time will tell

Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: al_557 on February 05, 2018, 10:46:28 AM
I believe 505s still interwork with KL-Hunstanton services so it is not easy to get work out total PVR for the 505.

I am not convinced on E200MMCs for Bedford but time will tell

Peterborough is the only other East depot that Enviro 200MMCs could go to but that has had a large batch of new Enviro 200s in 2014 and a batch of Enviro 400MMCs last year where as Bedford has had nothing since a batch of 4 Enviro 200s for the 2 in 2013 if you exclude X5 coaches. The fleet is in dire need of modernisation and this is a way Stagecoach could do it on the cheap. It would see the 53 reg darts and remaining 51 reg MANs withdrawn with MMCs taking their place but it would still leave Bedford with 12/13 year old 55 and 06 reg darts on frontline services that would still need replacing in the near future.
But as you say time will tell
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: rm clippie on February 05, 2018, 11:09:55 AM
replace the X5 coaches and cascade the old ones to the 99.
gold spec. enviro  400s would be nice.
these days  more and and more  enviro 400s  on the X5.
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Habbinman on February 05, 2018, 05:06:27 PM
Its all well & good , trying to guess about any cascading of vehicles from Kings Lynn, but you never know you might get a complete surprise yet ?? It could even be a situation, where the vehicles could go anywhere within the Stagecoach Group, if Stockport (Stagecoach Bus UK Hd Off) decides so ! It just depends on whether they would be more useful elsewhere & a better proposition ?? Not even Andy Campbell would have any say on it,  even though there's relatively new Enviro 200s or Optare Solo SRs at Lynn ! Like other members have said, its going to be a Wait & See scenario ??
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Habbinman on February 05, 2018, 05:14:04 PM
Not sure what PVR is but if it's what types of buses they can use I think it is anything, mostly deckers but they have used Enviro 300s, and Tempos on it
The PVR for Service 505 is NINE......7 DDs & 2 saloons !!
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: busman on February 05, 2018, 06:15:27 PM
They could also do a job lot to anyone taking over the services and depot!
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on February 05, 2018, 06:57:30 PM
They could also do a job lot to anyone taking over the services and depot!

I doubt Lynx will buy anything from Stagecoach, and I doubt Stagecoach would sell to them

Lynx wouldn't be able to afford them anyway
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 05, 2018, 11:27:48 PM
What is the situation with the two East Lancs Tridents, haven't seen the green one for some time and the one that's in corporate colours was last reported at Peterborough however I see online that one of the two have turned up in Ely, someone photographed the inside being dirty, can tell from the seats its East Lancs
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 09, 2018, 08:51:30 PM
With the news of which routes Stagecoach are keeping are we any closer to estimating which buses will go where now, with the 7 MANs being disposed of suppose the 6 Enviro 300s will replace them, but that leaves 1 short or will the Versas be kept on service maybe at Bedford

I would imagine now that the Enviro 400 ex Norfolk Green and those that come from Peterborough will be kept on the 505 with the 2 East Lancs Tridents, probably allow any remaining ALX400 to be withdrawn

Wisbech buses not sure between ex NG Coasthopper and Tempos
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: rm clippie on March 09, 2018, 09:13:01 PM
Bedford will need at least 10 replacments.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 09, 2018, 09:41:09 PM
Bedford will need at least 10 replacments.

Could they take the Solo SRs, there is at least 10 in Lynn
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Palatine One on March 09, 2018, 11:01:43 PM
Sadly, as interesting as speculation like this is, we're better off waiting to see what actually happens.

To be honest, I'd imagine anything non-standard could get transferred to depots that already operate similar vehicles - scenarios like Bedford receiving one or two Versa's are rather unlikely. Fleet managers hate "one offs" at depots, as they're a nightmare to stock spare parts for, never mind mechanical knowledge with regards to the staff looking after the things!


As was said in a post above, at the end of the day Stagecoach HQ decide what goes where, regardless of it being a "better" fit among other local fleets.

Seeing as some Tempos have already been sold, the type probably has a limited future with the former NG operations.
Title: Re: Cascades
Post by: Steven Knight Media on March 10, 2018, 08:13:32 AM
What is the situation with the two East Lancs Tridents, haven't seen the green one for some time and the one that's in corporate colours was last reported at Peterborough however I see online that one of the two have turned up in Ely, someone photographed the inside being dirty, can tell from the seats its East Lancs

The green Trident 18278 is no more, its now in corporate livery
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on March 22, 2018, 09:22:27 PM
It's been reported that one of the coasthopper Solo SRs is being painted into corporate colours at Chesterfield, I am not sure whether it will stay up there or not, it could be an early indication of where the Solos will go
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 24, 2018, 08:12:37 PM
So we have found out that the Solo SRs are going to Bedford along with the Enviro 300s and MMC200s, just leaves the question where the rest of the fleet ends up

Are the old Coasthopper Solos going to Bedford as well, presumably the Tempos and Versas will be withdrawn,

All the Enviro 400s I would assume will run the 505 not sure what will happen to the ALX400s though and the two East Lancs
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Graeme Palmer on April 25, 2018, 11:15:51 PM
The Solo SR's are the Coasthopper Solo's so this post confuses me entirely.  Bedford only have work for 8 Solo's.

So we have found out that the Solo SRs are going to Bedford along with the Enviro 300s and MMC200s, just leaves the question where the rest of the fleet ends up

Are the old Coasthopper Solos going to Bedford as well, presumably the Tempos and Versas will be withdrawn,

All the Enviro 400s I would assume will run the 505 not sure what will happen to the ALX400s though and the two East Lancs
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on April 26, 2018, 12:29:54 AM
The Solo SR's are the Coasthopper Solo's so this post confuses me entirely.  Bedford only have work for 8 Solo's.

The old Coasthopper solos are the 09 and 10 plates which were refurbished and repainted at Bedford.
These will be available for cascade. There will probably be a demand across the country for the Solo's as there's still 51 plate examples in service elsewhere within Stagecoach
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Graeme Palmer on April 26, 2018, 12:56:55 AM
The fact remains Bedford still only have work for 8 Solos, with limited scope to convert more routes to minibus operation.

I'd argue there is a good case to convert the citi 4 in Peterborough to minibus operation (Star Road area is totally unsuited to 10-11m vehicle operation and causes daily traffic issues) with a possible partial frequency restoration (it was draconianly cut from every 10min to every 20min - I'd suggest minibuses every 15min would be more appropriate and that a modest frequency increase would stimulate ridership growth).  I'm sure that'll never happen though.

I'd presume most of those Solo's will go elsewhere.  This does suggest 48021-5 going to Peterborough for the 5 vehicle Wisbech network.  One has to question the logic of such high book value vehicles going on tendered work, though.

The old Coasthopper solos are the 09 and 10 plates which were refurbished and repainted at Bedford.
These will be available for cascade. There will probably be a demand across the country for the Solo's as there's still 51 plate examples in service elsewhere within Stagecoach
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 26, 2018, 02:05:21 AM
The Solo SR's are the Coasthopper Solo's so this post confuses me entirely.  Bedford only have work for 8 Solo's.

Kings Lynn have two sets of Solo SRs, the first lot are in corporate livery 15 plate whilst the second set 66 plate are in coasthopper livery
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: dennisdart on April 27, 2018, 04:14:31 PM
There is more information on the Stephen Knight website (https://www.stevenknightmedia.com/fleet-news-ramblings) regarding cascades and vehicles
that will be based at Long Sutton.

Edit:
Added link to website. (Hope you don't object!)
Regards,
Richard
aka TCD813
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 27, 2018, 06:19:17 PM
No surprises that the old Norfolk Green Enviro 400s along with those 2010 plate E400s that come from Peterborough will be at Long Sutton

Interesting that there will be 2 darts joining them, Kings Lynn doesn't have any so wonder where they will come from, I would have probably stuck with either the 2 old Coasthopper Solos or 2 Tempos for Wisbech

Also I wonder what will happen to the two East Lancs Tridents, as they have just painted one they could be cascaded to Lincoln or Skegness
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on April 27, 2018, 07:00:21 PM
No surprises that the old Norfolk Green Enviro 400s along with those 2010 plate E400s that come from Peterborough will be at Long Sutton

Interesting that there will be 2 darts joining them, Kings Lynn doesn't have any so wonder where they will come from, I would have probably stuck with either the 2 old Coasthopper Solos or 2 Tempos for Wisbech

Also I wonder what will happen to the two East Lancs Tridents, as they have just painted one they could be cascaded to Lincoln or Skegness

Peterborough has plenty of darts of its own and more due to transfer over from Bedford so it could be any of them. My money's on the two 04 reg darts already there 34533/49 (GX04EYG/EZB)
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 27, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
Peterborough has plenty of darts of its own and more due to transfer over from Bedford so it could be any of them. My money's on the two 04 reg darts already there 34533/49 (GX04EYG/EZB)

So they could get rid of a load of buses that are 8 years old in favour of one's that are 14 years old, that's insane
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on April 27, 2018, 10:41:25 PM
So they could get rid of a load of buses that are 8 years old in favour of one's that are 14 years old, that's insane

It's about standardising vehicle types in depots with Stagecoach to make them as efficient as possible in terms of keeping spare parts in stock. Optare Tempo's are non standard for Stagecoach so will be sold. Peterborough has no Optare Solo's and no need for them as they're too small for the vast majority of the routes.
The only depot within Stagecoach East to have any viable work for Solo's is Bedford hence why the Solo SR's are transferring there

I could well be wrong about the 04 plate darts being the 2 that go to Long Sutton. But the newest dart within east is 35186 (AE56LUJ) the rest are 06 reg or older.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on April 29, 2018, 05:37:27 PM
Enviro 200MMC 37432 (SN16OPW), Optare Solo SR's 48023/25(YJ15ANR/V) plus another in Coast Hopper livery have now arrived at Bedford depot.
I've been told that 5 now withdrawn Optare solos have been sent to Biggleswade for storage already. It didn't look like there was much room for much else when I walked past earlier.

I wonder how long it will take for vehicles to be repainted out of Coast Hopper livery and into service. Surely Bedford can't paint that many vehicles in a short space of time
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 29, 2018, 06:32:38 PM
Just been round the yard tonight had a quick look, all Coasthopper buses appear to be gone along with all the Enviro 400s, there is a couple of Tempos left and original coasthopper Solos, also the green ALX 400s and East Lancs Tridents

There was also one Solo Sr left behind and an Enviro 300 with the front grill and number plate missing
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 29, 2018, 07:46:48 PM
Solo Sr 48021 is parked out the front with another Sr round the back,

Solo, 47245, 47902, 47905, 47909 and 47912, are out front, there are further slimline solo in the other yard, total on site is around 10

Enviro 300 without the grill is 27642, all other E300s appear to be gone,

Tempos and Versas are parked up to be seen, unable to confirm numbers also most of the ALX 400s are there as well including Kermit, and the two remaining Norfolk Green (Stagecoach Varient) are on site, the two original two Norfolk Green ALX400 are no where to be seen neither is the training dart
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 29, 2018, 08:46:29 PM
Just a little look in the yard at Long Sutton, didn't get out of the car but see a few Enviro 400s in there plus a dart, without confirmation I believe the dart in question is the training dart
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Habbinman on April 30, 2018, 09:07:47 AM
Enviro 200MMC 37432 (SN16OPW), Optare Solo SR's 48023/25(YJ15ANR/V) plus another in Coast Hopper livery have now arrived at Bedford depot.
I've been told that 5 now withdrawn Optare solos have been sent to Biggleswade for storage already. It didn't look like there was much room for much else when I walked past earlier.

I wonder how long it will take for vehicles to be repainted out of Coast Hopper livery and into service. Surely Bedford can't paint that many vehicles in a short space of time

Chesterfield has been used recently to repaint a few, so I'm assuming one or two will go there very quickly to be treated.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: ChilternRover on April 30, 2018, 02:52:23 PM
Stagecoach ALX400 on suspended tow by Welbourns Peterborough bound on A47 Walpole bypass at 13.00hrs. Welbourns sure gonna miss the business!
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 30, 2018, 03:47:25 PM
Stagecoach ALX400 on suspended tow by Welbourns Peterborough bound on A47 Walpole bypass at 13.00hrs. Welbourns sure gonna miss the business!

Probably come from the yard in Lynn, think all the ALX400s are withdrawn
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on April 30, 2018, 06:59:13 PM
Just been round the yard, there doesn't appear to be any movement since last night, maybe a couple of ALX400s have gone, two Solo SRs in corporate colours are still in the yard along with the Enviro 300 without the grill and bumper

There rest I would assume have been withdrawn
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 02, 2018, 01:27:00 PM
Can't help but thinking that they haven't thought the cascades through, why they want to run the coasthopper buses in Bedford before they have painted them, would have thought they would carry on as they are until they are in corporate colours, if they needed buses in Bedford urgently why not take use some of the withdrawn Kings Lynn buses over there like the East Lancs and old Coasthopper Solos

They are now getting a Lincolnshire Depot so would assume they are moving from Long Sutton
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: dennisdart on May 04, 2018, 05:01:45 PM
Stephen Knight reports that MANs 22329 and 22334 are operating out
of Long Sutton during the transitional period - and whilst I was  in Spalding earlier
today, 22334 was on the 505.

A friend has reported seeing another Bedford Dart in service in Peterborough - 34834

When all this gets settled, do we post Long Sutton under Stagecoach Peterbrough,
or retain the Stagecoach Norfolk heading even though Long Sutton is not in Norfolk.

One for the admin folks I think.

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 04, 2018, 05:34:44 PM
Stephen Knight reports that MANs 22329 and 22334 are operating out
of Long Sutton during the transitional period - and whilst I was  in Spalding earlier
today, 22334 was on the 505.

A friend has reported seeing another Bedford Dart in service in Peterborough - 34834

When all this gets settled, do we post Long Sutton under Stagecoach Peterbrough,
or retain the Stagecoach Norfolk heading even though Long Sutton is not in Norfolk.

One for the admin folks I think.

Steve Knight reports that there will be a Long Sutton depot so I guess it will be Stagecoach in Long Sutton, or is that too easy for Stagecoach
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: TCD813 on May 04, 2018, 06:37:50 PM
When all this gets settled, do we post Long Sutton under Stagecoach Peterbrough,
or retain the Stagecoach Norfolk heading even though Long Sutton is not in Norfolk.

One for the admin folks I think.

Speaking personally, whilst we are still discussing where vehicles have moved – Bedford, Peterborough, Long Sutton… – it all seems fine to keep it on this thread.

However, as you rightly say, there will be a point at which we’re simply reporting on which vehicles have been seen operating where, or broken down and being towed, or whatever…
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 04, 2018, 08:02:19 PM
Speaking personally, whilst we are still discussing where vehicles have moved – Bedford, Peterborough, Long Sutton… – it all seems fine to keep it on this thread.

However, as you rightly say, there will be a point at which we’re simply reporting on which vehicles have been seen operating where, or broken down and being towed, or whatever…

He could be asking whether you will change the name from Stagecoach in Norfolk to Stagecoach in Long Sutton
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: linkyyork on May 04, 2018, 09:20:29 PM
He could be asking whether you will change the name from Stagecoach in Norfolk to Stagecoach in Long Sutton

Yesterday - May 3rd - when travelling to Kings Lynn at around 6pm on the A17 between the old railway bridge and the old A17 turn off the following passed, a MAN on the 505 to Spalding - a Optare Solo on the 505 to Holbeach and an Enviro 400 out of service - all within 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: linkyyork on May 05, 2018, 08:42:25 AM
Forgot to report that on 1st May 2 Enviro 400s were seen refuelling at the BP Service Station off the A17/A1101 roundabout.

It is assumed they are getting a cut price from the station but it must be more costly than having there own facilities and who is getting the Nectar points.

Therefore the "Lincolnshire depot" may not be the present outstation at Long Sutton.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Steven Knight Media on May 05, 2018, 01:36:52 PM
The refuelling at local service station was a temporary arrangement pending the relication of the fuel point from King’s Lynn to Long Sutton. The bus wash is also due to be moved from King’s Lynn to Long Sutton.

I dont think there will be any ‘in xxxxxxxx’ local branding and it will merely be referred to as Stagecoach East Long Sutton operation. The Long Sutton services are still on the Go West Travel licence so I assume the Peterborough vehicles on loan to Long Sutton will be operating with ‘on hire To Go West Travel Limited’ notices.

I dont believe 48021/22 are being moved to Bedford so could find a home eventually at another Stagecoach UK Bus operation.

On Thursday last Trident 18346 was parked in Queensgate Bus Station Peterborough
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Steven Knight Media on May 05, 2018, 02:33:46 PM
Just to clarify, stagecoach Peterborough depot are responsible for the maintenance of the Long Sutton fleet
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 05, 2018, 03:32:26 PM
Forgot to report that on 1st May 2 Enviro 400s were seen refuelling at the BP Service Station off the A17/A1101 roundabout.

It is assumed they are getting a cut price from the station but it must be more costly than having there own facilities and who is getting the Nectar points.

Therefore the "Lincolnshire depot" may not be the present outstation at Long Sutton.

Its not a new thing using a service station, they used the Shell in Fakenham everyday for the buses stored at Holkham
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 09, 2018, 10:11:26 PM
A Solo from Bedford has arrived at the Kings Lynn depot, front bumper ripped off and damage to drivers side wing

Got Bedford bus markings all over
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: AE51VFX (Jonny) on May 09, 2018, 10:30:42 PM
A Solo from Bedford has arrived at the Kings Lynn depot, front bumper ripped off and damage to drivers side wing

Got Bedford bus markings all over

Could be 47353 that was at Peterborough Stagecoach on Lincoln Road.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 11, 2018, 07:39:50 PM
Could be 47354 that was at Peterborough Stagecoach on Lincoln Road.

47353 is the damaged Solo

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 14, 2018, 09:28:36 PM
Solo SR, YJ15 AAZ has left the Kings Lynn depot today and got as far as Littleport where it failed, Welbourns are there now to put it on tow

I assume the destination was going to be Cambridge, but not sure why they would want a Solo

Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: TCD813 on May 15, 2018, 06:49:17 AM
Solo SR, YJ15 AAZ has left the Kings Lynn depot today and got as far as Littleport where it failed, Welbourns are there now to put it on tow

I assume the destination was going to be Cambridge, but not sure why they would want a Solo

Might the intended destination be Bedford? The most obvious route would be A10 to the A14 Milton interchange followed by the A428/A421 to Bedford.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 15, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
Might the intended destination be Bedford? The most obvious route would be A10 to the A14 Milton interchange followed by the A428/A421 to Bedford.

Good call, I would have went A47 Peterborough then A1 to St Neots, but that's 10 miles longer than the your route, perhaps seem quicker in my mind
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: dwarfer1979 on May 16, 2018, 08:12:18 AM
Good call, I would have went A47 Peterborough then A1 to St Neots, but that's 10 miles longer than the your route, perhaps seem quicker in my mind
In a car it might be quicker but with a bus with a much lower top speed and that doesn't like to be left cruising on the limiter for long periods the advantages of that stretch of the A1 are eroded.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: TCD813 on May 16, 2018, 08:23:14 AM
Solo SR, YJ15 AAZ has left the Kings Lynn depot today and got as far as Littleport where it failed, Welbourns are there now to put it on tow

I assume the destination was going to be Cambridge, but not sure why they would want a Solo
Might the intended destination be Bedford? The most obvious route would be A10 to the A14 Milton interchange followed by the A428/A421 to Bedford.
Good call, I would have went A47 Peterborough then A1 to St Neots, but that's 10 miles longer than the your route, perhaps seem quicker in my mind
In a car it might be quicker but with a bus with a much lower top speed and that doesn't like to be left cruising on the limiter for long periods the advantages of that stretch of the A1 are eroded.

It's also worth considering who's driving the vehicle, from which depôt.

At a guess, an Ely-based, or Cambridge-based, driver took an early train to King's Lynn to collect the vehicle and drive it to Cowley Road, from where a Bedford-based driver would collect it, having travelled in on the X5.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: linkyyork on May 18, 2018, 09:11:40 AM
He could be asking whether you will change the name from Stagecoach in Norfolk to Stagecoach in Long Sutton
From Stagecoach East website
Legal identity

Cambus Ltd trades as Stagecoach East, Stagecoach in Bedford, Stagecoach in Cambridge, Stagecoach in Huntingdonshire and Stagecoach in Peterborough.

Registered Office: Cambus Ltd, Daw Bank, Stockport, Cheshire, SK3 0DU (Registered in England No. 01822941)

Go West Travel Ltd trades as Stagecoach in Peterborough.

Registered Office: Go West Travel Ltd, Daw Bank, Stockport, Cheshire, SK3 0DU (Registered in England No. 03117358)

However the registration with the TCs is still
PF0001611
Valid
GO WEST TRAVEL LTD
STAGECOACH IN NORFOLK
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: TCD813 on May 18, 2018, 11:11:32 AM
From Stagecoach East website
Legal identity

Cambus Ltd trades as Stagecoach East, Stagecoach in Bedford, Stagecoach in Cambridge, Stagecoach in Huntingdonshire and Stagecoach in Peterborough.

Registered Office: Cambus Ltd, Daw Bank, Stockport, Cheshire, SK3 0DU (Registered in England No. 01822941)

Go West Travel Ltd trades as Stagecoach in Peterborough.

Registered Office: Go West Travel Ltd, Daw Bank, Stockport, Cheshire, SK3 0DU (Registered in England No. 03117358)

However the registration with the TCs is still
PF0001611
Valid
GO WEST TRAVEL LTD
STAGECOACH IN NORFOLK

Complicated, n’est-ce pas?
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on May 18, 2018, 08:50:31 PM
Just a thought. If they're big enough for the loadings on services 30,35 and 66. Could some of the redundant 09 and 10 plate solo's be used to oust Fenstanton's 04 plate darts?
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 19, 2018, 08:43:21 PM
One of the East Lancs Tridents has left the yard at Lynn, it could have been swapped with an ALX400
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Steven Knight Media on May 30, 2018, 11:18:48 AM
One of the East Lancs Tridents has left the yard at Lynn, it could have been swapped with an ALX400

It was 18278 which left the yard at King's Lynn and went to Cambridge via Peterborough. I understand this vehicle will be leaving the fleet imminently.

The two Solo SRs that remained at King's Lynn depot, 48021/22, have transferred to Stagecoach West Scotland and are reported as being at Kilmarnock pending service preparation and allocation.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 30, 2018, 04:38:36 PM
It was 18278 which left the yard at King's Lynn and went to Cambridge via Peterborough. I understand this vehicle will be leaving the fleet imminently.

The two Solo SRs that remained at King's Lynn depot, 48021/22, have transferred to Stagecoach West Scotland and are reported as being at Kilmarnock pending service preparation and allocation.

Is it leaving Stagecoach altogether or going elsewhere in the fleet

I believe its the second one that recently got painted into corporate colours, the other one 18280 that was refurbished in 2016/2017 is still in Kings Lynn, will this be going with 18278
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Steven Knight Media on May 31, 2018, 10:27:38 AM
Is it leaving Stagecoach altogether or going elsewhere in the fleet

I believe its the second one that recently got painted into corporate colours, the other one 18280 that was refurbished in 2016/2017 is still in Kings Lynn, will this be going with 18278

Will be leaving Stagecoach
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 31, 2018, 12:48:57 PM
Will be leaving Stagecoach

That's the one that was repainted 2 months ago
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on May 31, 2018, 12:59:53 PM
Does anyone know what vehicles are still stored at Kings Lynn and where they're likely to be going in the future?
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on May 31, 2018, 03:00:29 PM
Does anyone know what vehicles are still stored at Kings Lynn and where they're likely to be going in the future?

Without a definite list, it's safe to say that all the Mark 1 Solos are there along with the Optare Tempos and Versas

In terms of ADLs the two stagecoach NG varient ALX400s are there along with the apple green ALX400, also stagecoach coloured ALX400s 2002 models

Not forgetting one of the East Lancs 18280
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on June 14, 2018, 12:55:57 AM
Just been looking at this site, entered a few numbers of the old KL like Mark 1 Solos, Tempos and both the East Lancs Tridents and they are not showing in service

On April 29th they were all still in reserve at Kings Lynn, so I would assume that they have all been withdrawn and now dumped in Hamlin Way waiting to be sold on

Perhaps someone would know if there is another website which shows if they have been delicenced with the relevant authorities
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on June 25, 2018, 08:49:38 PM
Just had a drive round Hamlin Way, still no sign of movement on the scrapped buses, beensitting idle for two months now and would of thought Stagecoach would have shifted them to Ensign got a big lump sum cash then they can release the two yards assuming they can leave Hamlin Way when they want
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on June 25, 2018, 09:23:08 PM
Just had a drive round Hamlin Way, still no sign of movement on the scrapped buses, beensitting idle for two months now and would of thought Stagecoach would have shifted them to Ensign got a big lump sum cash then they can release the two yards assuming they can leave Hamlin Way when they want


Two months is nothing for Stagecoach. The remains of fire damaged Trident 18105 (KX04RFF) are still at Northampton more than 2 years after it was withdrawn

Broken MAN's are also still at Bedford months after withdrawl now joined by Darts that look to be being stripped for spares
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on June 28, 2018, 03:57:55 PM
One of the Solos was on the move today, going towards Littleport on the A10, last bit of number plate EZZ
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on June 28, 2018, 04:16:12 PM
One of the Solos was on the move today, going towards Littleport on the A10, last bit of number plate EZZ

That would be 47909 (YJ09EZZ).
These would be useful to get rid of older Solos in Kettering
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Habbinman on June 29, 2018, 02:59:03 PM
One of the Solos was on the move today, going towards Littleport on the A10, last bit of number plate EZZ
I have it, on good authority, that some of the better conditioned 479xx solos will be going up North, possibly to Cumbria or Scotland, to another Stagecoach Company.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Habbinman on June 29, 2018, 08:08:09 PM

Two months is nothing for Stagecoach. The remains of fire damaged Trident 18105 (KX04RFF) are still at Northampton more than 2 years after it was withdrawn

Broken MAN's are also still at Bedford months after withdrawl now joined by Darts that look to be being stripped for spares

18105   KX04 RFF   Dennis Trident      Destroyed by fire -  to be retained - PSV Claims.....This is the Official line regarding 18105..but I have never been able to find out the reasoning behind it, from PSV Claims ?
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Habbinman on July 03, 2018, 03:55:22 PM
That would be 47909 (YJ09EZZ).
These would be useful to get rid of older Solos in Kettering

Just been to Cowley rd & this sits in the yard, amongst the "Dead Pack"
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on July 03, 2018, 10:23:51 PM
Just been to Cowley rd & this sits in the yard, amongst the "Dead Pack"

Is it possible it's there for component recovery, I believe Cambridge has two Solos one for Cambridge the other for Newmarket
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on July 03, 2018, 10:29:47 PM
Is it possible it's there for component recovery, I believe Cambridge has two Solos one for Cambridge the other for Newmarket

Cambridge doesn't have any Solo's. The only Stagecoach East depot allocated Solo's is Bedford
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on July 06, 2018, 03:13:19 PM
47909 (YJ09EZZ) is now in the yard at Bedford depot
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: rm clippie on July 06, 2018, 08:30:03 PM
possible use on service 8/10.
the new solos seem to be too big for these routes
this makes Bedford with 3 surplus solo SRs.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on July 12, 2018, 08:28:04 PM
The second East Lancs trident has now been removed from King's Lynn, also from the last visit a Solo which appeared to have returned has now gone
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Grahamk748 on July 15, 2018, 07:22:19 AM
The East Lancs Trident 18280 and Solos 47910 and 47912 were in the yard at Cambridge yesterday lunchtime.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on July 18, 2018, 06:41:51 AM
Looks like a pettern emerging here where they are all being taken to Cowley Road to be checked over before moving elsewhere in the group
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Tony on July 18, 2018, 04:37:55 PM
47909 has gone to Blackwood for Stagecoach South Wales it arrived yesterday Tues 17 July
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on July 19, 2018, 04:40:38 PM
The East Lancs Trident 18280 and Solos 47910 and 47912 were in the yard at Cambridge yesterday lunchtime.

47910 and 47912 are now both at Bedford as was 47909 before its move to Wales. It seems these are going first to Cambridge, then on to Bedford then on to where ever they're being transfered to
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on July 21, 2018, 06:09:15 AM
Someone from Cambridge is possibly getting the train to King's Lynn, it's a direct service around 30 minutes, they take the bus back to Cambridge, it might be looked over at Cowley Road for defects, (would hazard a guess all the buses will have engine management lights on) they then get driven to Bedford and the driver returns on the X5

Most of the Solos have leather Coasthopper head rests, could these be removed at Bedford along with touching up of pain work as when they have gone through the wash the paintwork has started to chip away showing the original coasthopper colours

Is the East Lancs trident at Bedford as well, noticed there was no mention of the first one going there before it was given to charity
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: TCD813 on July 21, 2018, 09:11:04 AM
Someone from Cambridge is possibly getting the train to King's Lynn, it's a direct service around 30 minutes, they take the bus back to Cambridge, it might be looked over at Cowley Road for defects, (would hazard a guess all the buses will have engine management lights on) they then get driven to Bedford and the driver returns on the X5
That makes sense.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on July 28, 2018, 08:50:22 PM
Been a bit of a move around in Hamlin Way, for those that don't know the set up there Stagecoach have two yards either side of the road, within the last week they have moved nearly all the Solos from one yard to the other, there could well be some Solos that have been removed in the shuffle perhaps now at Cowley Road

The Tempos, Versas and ALX400s appear to be untouched at the moment
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Habbinman on July 31, 2018, 11:56:57 AM
Been a bit of a move around in Hamlin Way, for those that don't know the set up there Stagecoach have two yards either side of the road, within the last week they have moved nearly all the Solos from one yard to the other, there could well be some Solos that have been removed in the shuffle perhaps now at Cowley Road

The Tempos, Versas and ALX400s appear to be untouched at the moment
Yes, 47904/06/07/12 are at Coiwley Rd in the Dead Pack area.
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: al_557 on July 31, 2018, 01:16:57 PM
Yes, 47904/06/07/12 are at Coiwley Rd in the Dead Pack area.

If the pattern with previous movements is followed then I expect these will soon turn up at Bedford then move elsewhere within Stagecoach
Title: Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Cascades
Post by: Coast_Hopper on August 05, 2018, 12:20:59 PM
Yes, 47904/06/07/12 are at Coiwley Rd in the Dead Pack area.

Interesting that 47912 is now back at Cowley Road after getting as far as Bedford