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Title: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Grahamk748 on June 18, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Since Corby has become an outstation of Kettering I have see the Corby Star Scania decker a on route 50 at leat 2 morning in the past week. I wouldn't be surprised to see these repainted into standard stagecoach colours and allocated to Kettering for the 49/50 routes and Tridents send to Corby for the town route as Scanias seem to suit longer distance routes better.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Coast_Hopper on June 18, 2018, 08:48:13 PM
The East Lancs Tridents are non standard for Stagecoach, there was two at Kings Lynn from the Norfolk Green days, both were repainted into corporate colours but since the closure of the depot they have since withdrawn both and given to charity as opposed to keeping them for the long distance 505 to Spalding work
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: al_557 on June 19, 2018, 12:26:03 AM
Since Corby has become an outstation of Kettering I have see the Corby Star Scania decker a on route 50 at leat 2 morning in the past week. I wouldn't be surprised to see these repainted into standard stagecoach colours and allocated to Kettering for the 49/50 routes and Tridents send to Corby for the town route as Scanias seem to suit longer distance routes better.

The Scania's are owned by Northamptonshire County Council and are supposed to be for route 3 in Corby. They are now the only vehicles in Corby Star livery.
They are also some of the oldest vehicles within Stagecoach Midlands being 14 years old. They're not likely to get painted into Stagecoach livery due being council owned and also being at the age where they're likely to be replaced soon. Most probably with cascaded Tridents or Enviro 400's as Kettering and Corby never seem to get many new vehicles apart from Scania's for he X4 which were Kettering's last new Vehicles back in 2011
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: dennisdart on July 04, 2018, 04:54:52 PM
Just seen 18150 on service in Peterborough. Could only see side view, but assume it
was on an X4 by its location and passengers.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: a.williams on July 07, 2018, 08:32:12 PM
  13 new Dennis E400 Gold buses are due at Kettering for X4 later this year,fleet numbers should be 11126-11138

  13 buses displaced should be the 5 Corby star Scania's +the 8 ALX400 Tridents
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Steven Knight Media on July 19, 2018, 03:40:35 PM
  13 new Dennis E400 Gold buses are due at Kettering for X4 later this year,fleet numbers should be 11126-11138

  13 buses displaced should be the 5 Corby star Scania's +the 8 ALX400 Tridents

The new ADL Enviro 400MMCs are due for delivery from mid-September but sorry to disappoint to your prediction for the existing Scania/Enviro 400 X4 fleet - they will be transferred elsewhere within Stagecoach UK Bus.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: al_557 on July 19, 2018, 05:36:00 PM
The new ADL Enviro 400MMCs are due for delivery from mid-September but sorry to disappoint to your prediction for the existing Scania/Enviro 400 X4 fleet - they will be transferred elsewhere within Stagecoach UK Bus.

There are rumours of cascaded Enviro 400's to replace Northampton and Kettering's 04 and 54 plate Tridents although I can't see where these would come from as the usual source of these seems to be Manchester and nothing new is due there this financial year
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on August 09, 2018, 02:14:57 PM
The East Lancs Tridents are non standard for Stagecoach, there was two at Kings Lynn from the Norfolk Green days, both were repainted into corporate colours but since the closure of the depot they have since withdrawn both and given to charity as opposed to keeping them for the long distance 505 to Spalding work

I think you'll find the East Lans Scania's, not East Lancs Tridents, are owned by Stagecoach, they were sold on from the council years ago
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on August 09, 2018, 02:17:21 PM
There are rumours of cascaded Enviro 400's to replace Northampton and Kettering's 04 and 54 plate Tridents although I can't see where these would come from as the usual source of these seems to be Manchester and nothing new is due there this financial year

Again I'm not sure where you got your facts from here'say???
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on August 09, 2018, 02:20:20 PM
34625 and 34626 are back in the reserve fleet for now. They are emergency cover for Kettering and Corby and in our engineering reserve fleet during vehicle shortages


47404 and 47129 have left Corby and have gone to Stagecoach Merseyside and South Lancs
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on August 10, 2018, 02:19:18 PM
Dart 34625 working the 3's in Corby as is MAN 39682 and Trident 18152
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on August 10, 2018, 02:45:15 PM
Stagecoach Midlands have reinstated 54 plate Darts 34625 and 34626 into the reserve fleet. This reinstatement is to help provide emergency cover for vehicles which are currently VOR. 34625 is working in Corby and 34626 is working out of Kettering.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: David Hancock on September 18, 2018, 08:22:12 AM
Dart 34626 today on 9 in Duston long time seen a dart operating from Northampton depot on this route.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: passenger933 on September 21, 2018, 07:45:36 PM
i saw 2 Darts, on Northampton services 9A and 16 last Wednesday (19/9) which I guess must have been the 2 mentioned above.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on September 26, 2018, 10:55:59 AM
Steven Knight has incorrectly reported that fire damaged 19088 is at Kettering. It isn’t, i believe it’s at Northampton.

Three E400mmc golds are at Kettering now. SK68 LUW/Y/Z are here
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Grahamk748 on September 26, 2018, 06:15:26 PM
Are Northampton short of Gold Scanias for the X46 X47? I have seen a lot on non gold buses on it recently. The was an Enviro 200 a week or so back, Trident 18409 yesterday and Enviro 400 19012 tonight, I know they usually have the odd MX08 scanias on there.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Habbinman on September 26, 2018, 06:30:39 PM

Three E400mmc golds are at Kettering now. SK68 LUW/Y/Z are here
  These are 11126-8
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: AN68 on September 26, 2018, 09:04:59 PM
Are Northampton short of Gold Scanias for the X46 X47? I have seen a lot on non gold buses on it recently. The was an Enviro 200 a week or so back, Trident 18409 yesterday and Enviro 400 19012 tonight, I know they usually have the odd MX08 scanias on there.
Graham, Northampton are one Gold Scania short as 15942 is delicenced, some rumours are that it is permanently withdrawn following a catastrophic engine and gearbox failure in early August. 15942 is currently in a corner of the yard at Northampton, minus its front lower dash panel, engine and gearbox. This along with the fire damage to 19088, is the reason for the appearance of the two Darts 34625/6 at Northampton.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: cesar on September 26, 2018, 09:07:16 PM
What year is it?
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: AN68 on September 27, 2018, 11:11:48 PM
Cesar if you are referring to Scania 15942 it is a 63 plate and just coming up to five years old.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on September 28, 2018, 01:17:52 AM
And 37070/71 in reserve
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Grahamk748 on September 28, 2018, 07:50:14 PM
Graham, Northampton are one Gold Scania short as 15942 is delicenced, some rumours are that it is permanently withdrawn following a catastrophic engine and gearbox failure in early August. 15942 is currently in a corner of the yard at Northampton, minus its front lower dash panel, engine and gearbox. This along with the fire damage to 19088, is the reason for the appearance of the two Darts 34625/6 at Northampton.
Thanks, I hadn't realised that. Surely they would repair it being only 5 years old unless the chassis or body was badly damaged.
Today saw Scania 28632 and Enviro 400 19020 on the X47.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: cesar on September 28, 2018, 09:18:09 PM
Cesar if you are referring to Scania 15942 it is a 63 plate and just coming up to five years old.

Thanks. Sorry, forgot to quote the question!!   I'd be surprised if it weren't repaired at that age.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on September 29, 2018, 09:43:30 AM
The plan is for 15942 to be repaired.....
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: al_557 on September 29, 2018, 10:42:07 AM
Kettering have Trident 18108 (KX04RVK) on the 50 in Bedford today instead of the usual Scania. This one also spent a while based at Bedford
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on October 03, 2018, 09:50:17 AM
The Scania’s are not dedicated to the 50 anymore which is why they are debranded and repainted. They can appear on any route, the same as the Tridents and the E400’s
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 05, 2018, 02:52:16 PM
Two of the new ADL E400MMCs for the X4 were put into service today - 11127 and 11129. 11127 arrived in Peterborough running empty just after 12:00 and then took up its working on the X4 to Corby and Northampton. Stagecoach Gold decals and route branding are still to be applied.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: John on October 06, 2018, 09:10:45 AM
The Scania’s are not dedicated to the 50 anymore which is why they are debranded and repainted. They can appear on any route, the same as the Tridents and the E400’s

It must be comman sense to use the Scania E400s on the longer distance routes like the 50.

Then again Stagecoach has provided Stagecoach Midlands with new Cummins powered E400s for the X4.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: dwarfer1979 on October 08, 2018, 08:28:12 AM
It must be comman sense to use the Scania E400s on the longer distance routes like the 50.

Then again Stagecoach has provided Stagecoach Midlands with new Cummins powered E400s for the X4.
At Euro 6 the Cummins engine used for the E400MMC is pretty much the same size/power as the equivalent Scania unit, in fact I think that it is actually a co-developed unit so is actually identical (I know much of the mid-size engine range that bus engines sit in was co-developed between Cummins & Scania).
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: wadey88 on October 09, 2018, 08:09:08 PM
At Euro 6 the Cummins engine used for the E400MMC is pretty much the same size/power as the equivalent Scania unit, in fact I think that it is actually a co-developed unit so is actually identical (I know much of the mid-size engine range that bus engines sit in was co-developed between Cummins & Scania).

Am I right in thinking though the scania needs engine needs more space, and has a longer chassis / body because of this.
Also creating a difference in that the scania can't have a rear window but the adl can.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Leyland L60 on October 10, 2018, 06:23:24 PM
dwarfer1979  -  the Euro6 Cummins ISB6 six-cylinder engine in the ADL Enviro 400MMC is a 6.7 litre unit producing 250 bhp, whereas the equivalent Scania engine is a 9.3 litre five-cylinder motor, also producing 250 bhp. I believe there is some collaboration between the two companies on current engine design, but I don't think it applies to these.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Steves on October 10, 2018, 09:42:55 PM
The Scania DC07 is a Cummins designed engine of 6.7 litres - presumably the same design as fitted to the ADL E400s but all the Scania passenger chassis seem to be fitted with the DC09 9 litre 5 cylinder engine.  Scania seem to only recommend the DC07 for fairly lightweight truck applications.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Grahamk748 on October 18, 2018, 01:00:31 PM
Unless my eyes were deceiving me this morning 15401 KX04RCV  was freshly painted in corporate livery on the 50 in Rushden this morning.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: Steven Knight Media on October 18, 2018, 02:17:14 PM
Unless my eyes were deceiving me this morning 15401 KX04RCV  was freshly painted in corporate livery on the 50 in Rushden this morning.

15401 is the first of the batch to be repainted into corporate livery. 15402-05 to follow which will bring to an end the Corby Star livery and branding on operational vehicles. The Corby Star branding was first introduced in 2004.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: al_557 on October 18, 2018, 09:09:03 PM
15401 is the first of the batch to be repainted into corporate livery. 15402-05 to follow which will bring to an end the Corby Star livery and branding on operational vehicles. The Corby Star branding was first introduced in 2004.

I'm surprised that they're painting these given their age and that they're non standard for Stagecoach. Just a little nitpick, Corby star branding was actually introduced in 2003 with a batch of Optare Solo's
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: busned on October 18, 2018, 09:42:39 PM
Why would you be surprised? Age has nothing to do with it. Stagecoach still operates 2001 era deckers in Leamington. the Scania's are our most reliable buses in Stagecoach Midland's. They all still have there original engines/gearboxes compared to the Tridents where their engines have been replaced.

The Scania Omnidekka is hugely popular and loved by the driver's and our engineering team. We have no plan's to dispose of them for many years to come.

Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: al_557 on October 19, 2018, 07:48:27 PM
Why would you be surprised? Age has nothing to do with it. Stagecoach still operates 2001 era deckers in Leamington. the Scania's are our most reliable buses in Stagecoach Midland's. They all still have there original engines/gearboxes compared to the Tridents where their engines have been replaced.

The Scania Omnidekka is hugely popular and loved by the driver's and our engineering team. We have no plan's to dispose of them for many years to come.

Chesterfield are withdrawing their 54 plate Scania Omnidekkas  which is why I found it surprsing and the fact that Tridents of similar age are starting to be being withdrawn across the country. Those Leamington Tridents are ex London and are amongst the oldest nationally. 

Judging by your post I take that you are a Stagecoach Employee in which case you will have better knowledge about the fleet than an enthusiast like me
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: dennisdart on October 22, 2018, 12:36:23 PM
15401 is the first of the batch to be repainted into corporate livery. 15402-05 to follow which will bring to an end the Corby Star livery and branding on operational vehicles. The Corby Star branding was first introduced in 2004.

15401 appeared on the X4 this morning, just missed a photo opportunity as it was just leaving.
Title: Re: Stagecoach in Northants 2018 happenings.
Post by: John on October 25, 2018, 07:25:52 AM
The Scania DC07 is a Cummins designed engine of 6.7 litres - presumably the same design as fitted to the ADL E400s but all the Scania passenger chassis seem to be fitted with the DC09 9 litre 5 cylinder engine.  Scania seem to only recommend the DC07 for fairly lightweight truck applications.

exactly, infact Scania asked if their customers wanted the Cummins engine or the larger
Scania engine for E400MMCs. they chose the later.

Stagecoach must have had a further falling out with Scania....