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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2017, 08:02:30 pm »
Could possibly be an MOT candidate ??? If so, Stagecoach would require Peterborough to do it, before a transfer, as its the normal procedure

19699 was still in service in Peterborough today (Tuesday)

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #91 on: November 15, 2017, 01:54:04 pm »
I was one of the standing passengers on 35104 (AE06WXP) on the 1 this evening. This route is normally and should be run with Enviro 400's. Darts are too small in the peaks.

Still no sign of 19699 (AE60JRX). All the other expected transfers from Peterborough have now arrived and all still carry 'citi' branding inside and out

I seem to recall that when route 2 became park and ride instead of going to Kempston that a pledge was made at the time that the remaining route 1 frequency would increase using double decks to also cover the old part of route 2. I have it in mind that there was an article in the Beds on Sunday, where a Stagecoach spokesman, promised double decks because prior to the changes the two routes used single decks so with only one route remaining the extra capacity was required for covering two routes. I am prepared to be corrected that I imagined the article as time fades the memory but certainly this year single decks have been a frequent sight compared to previous years.

This morning saw a trident fight back with 18419 on the 0915 81 and 18060 on the 0915 73. 19698 sat spare, 19701 was on a 51, 19704 on the 5 / 6 and 19705 on the 1.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2017, 01:02:26 pm »
Another trident on the 0915 81 today with 18423 having the honours but the 0915 73 was back to one of the new arrivals 19702. Also 19700 was out on the 5 / 6 circuit. A solo pursued by a MAN were leaving the town centre on 9's so someone could expect a 25 minute fester in the gap in service waiting for their bus to turn up.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #93 on: November 23, 2017, 05:52:25 pm »
It was inevitable that the AE60- Tridents would start appearing on the X5, the first one I've noted was 19705 on the short evening turn today (the corresponding morning turn was a native example).

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #94 on: November 23, 2017, 06:49:00 pm »
It was inevitable that the AE60- Tridents would start appearing on the X5, the first one I've noted was 19705 on the short evening turn today (the corresponding morning turn was a native example).
These could all do with a repaint and removal of 'citi' branding inside and out. The 08 reg Enviro 200's still welcome you aboard 'Cambridge citi' too.
Native Enviro 400's 19888-93 could do with painting as well, The rears in particular are looking very faded.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #95 on: November 23, 2017, 08:22:32 pm »
as enviro 400 19699 appeared at Bedford yet
or is it still in sevices at Peterborough.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #96 on: November 23, 2017, 09:31:50 pm »
as enviro 400 19699 appeared at Bedford yet
or is it still in sevices at Peterborough.

19699 was not in service today at Peterborough so could be getting ready for the move to Bedford.
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #97 on: November 24, 2017, 09:23:37 am »
19699 was not in service today at Peterborough so could be getting ready for the move to Bedford.

It is ready for transfer, if not moved already. It was retained at Peterborough pending the return of a Dart from repaint

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #98 on: November 24, 2017, 06:19:07 pm »
Enviro 400 19699 (AE60JRX) has now arrived from Peterborough and was on the 1 today

Also in from Cambridge is Enviro 200 37214 (SN64OKM) which was on the 73. This has transferred here instead of Fenstanton.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #99 on: November 24, 2017, 07:22:11 pm »
also parked in the backyard Cambridge training dart 34422(KV53EYY).
trident 18417 now parked up for several weeks and looks like it may be  being scraped.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #100 on: November 25, 2017, 09:09:18 am »
Is 19592 another arrival from Cambridge? Seen on the 1 this morning. 37214 also on the 73 circuit again.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #101 on: November 25, 2017, 04:39:39 pm »
Dart 34882 (AE06HAO) is on loan from Peterborough and was on the 81. This and Enviro 400 19592 (AE10BXD) from Cambridge are on loan to cover a vehicle shortage.
My driver friend wouldn't say what caused it, but it's not surprising when most of the fleet is over 10 years old

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #102 on: November 27, 2017, 01:13:30 pm »
I assume 37214 is a crate as this specimen has been loaned to Bedford previously so I would guess it is held in low esteem by its parent depot. As for cheap plastic 19592 I would much rather 16592 but that's rules and regulations etc for you forcing good buses off the road.

As for a shortage of vehicles it comes as no surprise I have made mention of the fact that route 9 has only had three vehicles out on some mornings instead of four. One day last week it dropped to a pathetic two in the morning being just a MAN and a laughable Solo for people trying to get to work whilst 18057 and 18058 go mouldy on the depot.

I caught a glimpse of 34882 departing the bus station this morning which seemed vaguely familiar but maybe I am confusing it with 34881 that was once loaned to Bedford.

19892, not to be confused with 19592, was running about 25 minutes late from Luton this morning. 18416 was on the 5/6 circuit, 19701 the 0915 81 and 18418 the 0915 73.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #103 on: November 27, 2017, 04:10:28 pm »
I assume 37214 is a crate as this specimen has been loaned to Bedford previously so I would guess it is held in low esteem by its parent depot. As for cheap plastic 19592 I would much rather 16592 but that's rules and regulations etc for you forcing good buses off the road.

As for a shortage of vehicles it comes as no surprise I have made mention of the fact that route 9 has only had three vehicles out on some mornings instead of four. One day last week it dropped to a pathetic two in the morning being just a MAN and a laughable Solo for people trying to get to work whilst 18057 and 18058 go mouldy on the depot.

I caught a glimpse of 34882 departing the bus station this morning which seemed vaguely familiar but maybe I am confusing it with 34881 that was once loaned to Bedford.

19892, not to be confused with 19592, was running about 25 minutes late from Luton this morning. 18416 was on the 5/6 circuit, 19701 the 0915 81 and 18418 the 0915 73.


18418 (AE06GZP) didn't get far with the 9:15 73. I saw it broken down by the post office opposite the college.
37214 (SN64OKM) is now a Bedford vehicle permanently according to a driver friend of mine
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #104 on: November 28, 2017, 05:04:20 pm »
Thanks Al.

I noted 18057 parked up at the bus station this morning so maybe the reserves have been reinstated which surely must be the case in a vehicle shortage. 18416 was on the 0911 6 again for the second day running. 19698 had charge of the 0915 81.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #105 on: November 29, 2017, 02:30:40 pm »
18057 was on the 0915 73 this morning whilst another Trident did the late running 0900 11 but was too far away to see which one. I didn't notice any number on the side of it a bit like 19888 which only has its numbers on the front and back.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #106 on: November 29, 2017, 04:17:19 pm »
19592 (AE10BXD) still in Bedford and on the 53 today

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #107 on: December 01, 2017, 12:48:01 pm »
Despite extra buses appearing there are still gaps in the service. My 0847 9 into town failed to materialise so I had to do 47341 on the 0859. Once in town the 0923 6 evaporated so I had to wait for the late running 0935. Consequently it took me an hour to get from Elstow Road to Manton Lane something I can walk in 40 minutes. Had things gone to plan it should take no more than 30 minutes doing the 0847 9 and 0911 6. I never seem to learn...

19592 worked a 5 to Elms Farm, 18416 left late on the 0915 81, 18418 scarpered on a 71, 34882 arrived on an unidentified service and then went empty to depot whilst 15455 did the 0932 50. I still haven't seen 19699 or 37214 since they arrived in my longer than wanted sojourn's at the bus station...


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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #108 on: December 01, 2017, 01:26:58 pm »
37214 (SN64OKM) is on the 53 today along with 36041 (AE08NVR) and 19700 (AE60JRZ)
19592 (AE10BXD) was on schools this morning

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #109 on: December 01, 2017, 02:42:21 pm »
with all these extra buses what actually is  missing from the normal services.
and whats been  taken off and delicended
I know trident 18417 seems to be long term sick at the  back of the garage.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #110 on: December 04, 2017, 01:58:18 pm »
Four double decks were parked up at the back of the garage at 0850 this morning whilst lovely solos poodled around on routes 6 and 9 so does this mean Bedford is suddenly flush with buses that deckers can be left on depot? One of them would have been reserve 18058.

An unidentified trident was on an 11 whilst 18419 did the 0905 72. For the first time I viewed 19699 on a 1 but again no sign of the 0915 81, no doubt the vehicle delayed out on route 51. Still if the 0915 had been on time it would have had to find an alternative bay to depart from as someone dumped a route 7 solo in the bay and as soon as it moved for the 81 another solo on the 0923 6 jumped in there presumably thinking the 0915 had gone!

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #111 on: December 04, 2017, 02:59:46 pm »
One day last week there were two double decks at Madingley Rd. P&R on the X5 route at about 9.30.
I assume that the X5 route has the highest priority at Bedford and allocations to  the other routes are subservient to the X5 route requirements.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #112 on: December 05, 2017, 12:51:32 pm »
I remember the good times having 14000, 16209, 16496 and 16593 on the X5 but they were not as regular a feature as the E400's appear to be now. I assume that they like keeping an E400 spare in the bus station not earning its keep in case one is required to send out on the X5. It's not just a matter of reliability of the X5 vehicles but also when the roads get clogged up by road rats and services go missing that an E400 can get kicked out as cover.

The fact that there were four double decks on the depot yesterday morning doesn't necessarily mean they were all Bedford vehicles. From time to time Kettering vehicles have been noted particularly the stand out X4 gold buses so I can't just assume all four were Bedford buses.

This morning the 0915 81 was again missing in action but I did pass 19891 running not in service on Clapham Road so maybe that was it heading for the bus station. It should come off the 51 normally. 47437 was on offer on route 9 but I didn't fancy the wedge factor so walked into town. I still haven't seen 37214 but I don't know how much longer my luck will last...

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #113 on: December 06, 2017, 05:23:06 pm »
As 19705 was a winner and I required route 11 all time I indulged in doing the 1740 to Great Denham Tuesday evening. I will have to do it again in daylight so I can actually see the route more clearly but at least it is done. It was a futile gesture flagging 47437 on the 9 in the morning as the damn thing snared me on the 1817 9 home so had clearly stayed out all day on the route.

There was no room for 19892 in the Luton bay for the 0915 81 this morning until 47442 departed on the 0911 6 and then 47440 arrived in the same bay on a 1 to then form the 0912 back to Kempston. Marvellous...

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #114 on: December 08, 2017, 01:03:25 pm »
37214 finally came into my line of vision this morning on the 0845 73 with 19592 working the 0915 81. Unfortunately my 0911 6 to work evaporated again. The E400 arrived on the 5 but then the blind changed to not in service and the driver parked the bus up and then casually strolled off to the office leaving us punters to guess what was going on. Another driver came out of the office and looked at all the spare buses and then returned to the office so on that basis I concluded that the 0911 was caped so I did 36937 on the 0915 51 and walked to the office getting there well before the 0923 6 arrived.

It is a pity that the screen monitors don't actually inform the punters that a service is cancelled but instead the clock ticks down until the bus is due and then it disappears from the screen and then the next service 12 minutes later appears with absolutely no info as to whether the earlier bus is actually ever going to appear. Often when I leave work the screen at the bus stop informs you that the next service is due in 3 minutes and 10 minutes later it hasn't appeared and then the next day the screen will tell you it is due in 12 minutes and then it appears after just 4 minutes. What is the point of them if they give false information? The railways may cancel train services but at least their screens are accurate and they do tell you when services are cancelled and exactly how they are doing for time.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #115 on: December 08, 2017, 08:19:23 pm »
37214 finally came into my line of vision this morning on the 0845 73 with 19592 working the 0915 81. Unfortunately my 0911 6 to work evaporated again. The E400 arrived on the 5 but then the blind changed to not in service and the driver parked the bus up and then casually strolled off to the office leaving us punters to guess what was going on. Another driver came out of the office and looked at all the spare buses and then returned to the office so on that basis I concluded that the 0911 was caped so I did 36937 on the 0915 51 and walked to the office getting there well before the 0923 6 arrived.

It is a pity that the screen monitors don't actually inform the punters that a service is cancelled but instead the clock ticks down until the bus is due and then it disappears from the screen and then the next service 12 minutes later appears with absolutely no info as to whether the earlier bus is actually ever going to appear. Often when I leave work the screen at the bus stop informs you that the next service is due in 3 minutes and 10 minutes later it hasn't appeared and then the next day the screen will tell you it is due in 12 minutes and then it appears after just 4 minutes. What is the point of them if they give false information? The railways may cancel train services but at least their screens are accurate and they do tell you when services are cancelled and exactly how they are doing for time.
Unfortunately when it comes to these service information screens, that's where you find the difference between Trains & Buses !! With Train Companies the screens are directly run by them, whereas the Bus ones are run usually by, or on behalf of the Local Council or County Council ! The Bus ones, as you say, are not very good as they don't give cancellations or delays etc, whereas the Train ones do, mostly as well with an accompanying tannoy annoucement !. Its very obvious, to most of us, that the Bus ones are most probably the cheapest available on the market, or that the Local Council has obviously invested in only half a system, with the added notion that anyway they're really not interested in local bus services, & hence the resultant subsidy cuts !!

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #116 on: December 12, 2017, 10:00:11 pm »
Not only subsidy cuts by City/County councils but also the number of staff employed on Public Transport. This has lead to insufficient staff to maintain the Electronic Bus Information and gradually it is falling by the wayside. Oh how the impetus has changed in the last 10 years. In 2007 Public Transport was seen as the savior of traffic congestion and Councils were providing good funding and gaining bonus points. Now, for some reason it is back to the bottom of the pile.
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« Reply #117 on: Yesterday at 08:13:12 am »
Still works well in London. TFL makes the bus companies comply. Shame bus use is reducing in the capital because of congestion and despite fares on buses and trams being frozen until 2020. £1.50 a single journey with a daily cap pf £4.50. The excellent information, separate entry and exit doors and no cash transactions speeds up bus travel amazingly compared with other parts of the UK. Unfortunately congestion needs to be addressed by increasing congestion charges dramatically.

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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #118 on: Yesterday at 04:42:08 pm »
Not only subsidy cuts by City/County councils but also the number of staff employed on Public Transport. This has lead to insufficient staff to maintain the Electronic Bus Information and gradually it is falling by the wayside. Oh how the impetus has changed in the last 10 years. In 2007 Public Transport was seen as the savior of traffic congestion and Councils were providing good funding and gaining bonus points. Now, for some reason it is back to the bottom of the pile.
In some instances, funding for bus services by local authorities has been cut altogether.  I still believe that, if challenged, this could be found to be illegal, given the provisions of the Transport Acts from 1985 on.   This is a very murky area because changes to the wording in later acts have muddied the meaning sufficiently to allow lawyers to argue that a total cut is legal.  If you don't fund bus services you need few, if any, staff.
It also has to be remembered that funding by central government for local authorities has been cut and cut again in the last seven years.  At the same time the legal duties have been increased.  The consequence is that authorities are seeking not to fund anything which is not clearly laid down as a legal requirement.  It would seem that some authorities, Northamptonshire for example, are going to be hard pressed in 2018/19 to meet even their statutory duties.
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Re: Stagecoach in Bedford happenings 2017
« Reply #119 on: Today at 08:50:00 am »
X5 in a mess today, 0648 from home an Enviro, 0707 was 54310 which broke down at Madingley, 0737 another Enviro. What's the matter with the volvos?