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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #30 on: February 07, 2018, 12:49:16 AM »
There is alot of keyboard warrior moaning about and slagging lynx off. and I Know for a fact the management of Lynx are on this group.

i would like to Highlight the Problems Stagecoach has caused to the Norfolk foke with strikes, services not running, cancelling services that lynx then picked up on behalf of N.C.C.  not to mention the balls up with the coasthopper

Also I'm reliably informed that they inspected stagecoach's tempos and turned them down due to condition. 

so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public.

for the record  these are my veiws and im not coming down on one side but some one needs to stand up for the local guys

Well fair comment if it was all accurate. Would be interesting to know "cancelling services that lynx then picked up on behalf of N.C.C. - which are these services
Why are Lynx on here if not to answer comments and correct the wrong ones.
I commented last winter, after Lynx lost the winter Coasthopper tender when Stagecoach decided to run it commercially, why not run a 2 hourly service yourselves to provide a hourly service, but no answer came so public service is out.
Why did they start their Hunstanton service running just in front of the Stagecoach services, not much service with two buses in a couple of minutes followed by a gap.
Lynx with their lower costs were always going to take all of the Stagecoach tendered services but some of their bids were amazing.
On the 37 they not only undercut Stagecoach but also another operator.
It is to be hoped that profits are forthcoming, as they still have losses and there has been so many company failures recently due to low tender bids which then fall back on the tax payer
With regard to service, lets see what is retained on the Hunstanton route when they have it on their own because at present do not consider travel towards Hunstanton after 6pm with Lynx.
It was clear from the start what the strategy of Lynx was because it had been used before by Konnect and of course Norfolk Green themselves who pushed First out of Kings Lynn exc X1.
However they have been assisted in their aims by the most inept Stagecoach management it is possible to witness.
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #31 on: February 08, 2018, 09:13:20 AM »
RouteOne magazine dated 7 February 2018 contains an item on the Stagecoach withdrawal from Norfolk:

http://www.route-one.net/magazines/emag/routeone726/#/10/

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #32 on: February 08, 2018, 01:33:17 PM »
RouteOne magazine dated 7 February 2018 contains an item on the Stagecoach withdrawal from Norfolk:

http://www.route-one.net/magazines/emag/routeone726/#/10/

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Interesting the report says that they will run the Wisbech and March buses from its Long Sutton and Ely depot, I guess there will be an Ely to March service in the morning then the bus will run the 46 and 56 all day

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #33 on: February 09, 2018, 10:34:17 AM »
Interesting the report says that they will run the Wisbech and March buses from its Long Sutton and Ely depot, I guess there will be an Ely to March service in the morning then the bus will run the 46 and 56 all day

I think I read that Stagecoach are dropping the 46 but retaining 56.

The March garage certainly used to have an Ely outstation vehicle based there as well as vehicles from Fenstanton and Peterborough. 

Random thought:  don't these different depots have different pay rates?  That would not matter very much if all the drivers' work during the day was on the main depot's routes so for Ely on the 9 etc. but it would be less tenable if drivers working the Wisbech services were paid differently depending on which depot they were attached to even if they were working the same routes.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #34 on: February 09, 2018, 06:23:34 PM »
I'd assume when they say "Ely" they're lumping the March outstation in with that.

Not sure how much traffic there would be for a Ely>March service at peak. One would speculate that the Wisbech-March service won't last long, considering Stagecoach dropped it before after absorbing Huntingdon and District (Scarily, approaching 10 years ago now!)


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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #35 on: February 09, 2018, 09:11:20 PM »
Used to use a Metroliner at peak times on this journey to March and Neale Wade school and it was full
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #36 on: February 09, 2018, 11:04:34 PM »
I'd assume when they say "Ely" they're lumping the March outstation in with that.

Not sure how much traffic there would be for a Ely>March service at peak. One would speculate that the Wisbech-March service won't last long, considering Stagecoach dropped it before after absorbing Huntingdon and District (Scarily, approaching 10 years ago now!)

If nobody takes on the 46 and Stagecoach keep the Neal Wade contract there would be no reason get rid of the 56,

Most users of the 46 between March and Wisbech will be forced to use the 56 instead,

The 46 is not an attractive prospect between March and Guyhirn as there a few no passengers, those that live within the area of the Shell garage will use the X1 so in reality the 46 wouldn't collect any fares until Wisbech St Mary

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2018, 09:02:14 AM »
What a sad confirmation of a former phoenix that once was Norfolk Green.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2018, 10:37:58 AM »
'Notices and Proceedings' 2312 dated 28 February 2018 contains the following applications:

Section 3.5 – Cancellations of Existing Services

PF0001611/14 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wisbech and Wisbech given service number 966 / 66 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/97 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Grimston/East Winch and Springwood High School given service number 48ABC / 48C effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/10 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wisbech and Downham Market given service number 60 / 60 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/93 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Downham Market and Swaffham given service number 53 / 53 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/104 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wisbech and March given service number 946A / 46 / X46 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/64 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wisbech and Benwick given service number 56ca / 56 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/8 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Hunstanton and Wells Next The Sea given service number CH2 / CH effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/103 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cromer and Wells-Next-The-Sea given service number CH3 / CH effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/88 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Sutton Bridge and Spalding given service number NG01_03 / NG1 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/33 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Fakenham and Holt given service number X8A / X29 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/45 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Fakenham and Norwich given service number X29 / X29 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/95 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Wells Next The Sea and Fakenham given service number 29 / 29 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/94 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Swaffham and Easton College given service number 52 / 52 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/59 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between North Elmham and Reepham High School given service number 414 / 414 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/43 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between King's Lynn and Fakenham given service number X8B / X29 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/51 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between King's Lynn and Hunstanton given service number CH1 / H / D / R / E effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/4 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Walpole St Peter given service number 55 / 55 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/1 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Wisbech given service number 946 / 46 / X46 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/46 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Fairstead given service number 901 / 1 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/60 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and North Lynn given service number 902 / 2 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/74 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Gaywood Park given service number 905 / 5 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/87 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between King's Lynn and Hardwick given service number 906 / 6 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/54 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and Pandora given service number 904 / 4 effective from 29 April 2018.

PF0001611/72 GO WEST TRAVEL LTD, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Kings Lynn and North Wootton given service number 903 / 3 effective from 29 April 2018.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2018, 10:52:10 PM »
So keeping 10 11 and 505
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2018, 08:16:16 AM »
So keeping 10 11 and 505

No there is no 10 and 11, they changed the 10 to CH H and the 11 to CH R

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2018, 08:17:20 AM »
I can hear Julian Patterson saying - everything went to plan - second large company stuffed

Do you think he will change the colour of the buses from red to green

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2018, 08:21:50 AM »
Interesting there will be two X29 running between Fakenham amd Norwich one by Stagecoach the other by First using the same number then a third operator Konnectbus running the same service as well (service number unknown) so all in all 3 operators

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2018, 08:58:28 AM »
The X29 between Fakenham and Norwich is on the withdrawal list.

Not on the list with the 505 is route 50.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2018, 09:11:14 AM »
The X29 between Fakenham and Norwich is on the withdrawal list.

Not on the list with the 505 is route 50.

Finishes on the 29th April

First start the X29 on the 1st April on the same route and Konnectbus start their service on the 16th

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2018, 09:37:24 AM »
Oh yes, I had forgotten that start date - Thanks

On the other post regarding the 505 and 50 not being on the withdrawal list, these are mostly worked by the Long Sutton outstation.

It will be interesting to see if the 50 is extended to cover some withdrawn Wisbech routes.

Still time for the N&Ps

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2018, 10:47:58 AM »
Interesting there will be two X29 running between Fakenham amd Norwich one by Stagecoach the other by First using the same number then a third operator Konnectbus running the same service as well (service number unknown) so all in all 3 operators

Gosh! The benefits of the de-regulated ‘free market’!

Fierce competition over a limited selection of potentially profitable routes, whilst the rest can go to hell in a handcart.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #47 on: March 01, 2018, 11:43:45 AM »
So keeping 10 11 and 505

I suspect that we will see some services registered to the Cambus Licence with the Long Sutton outststion also being added as an operating centre of Cambus. This would allow the Go West Travel licence to be surrendered and the Limited Company put into a dormant status

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #48 on: March 01, 2018, 10:50:24 PM »
Ok... I'm taking bets*...

- Length of time for Stagecoach to take over Lynx?  :D

I'm going with 3 years.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2018, 03:10:27 AM »
Ok... I'm taking bets*...

- Length of time for Stagecoach to take over Lynx?  :D

I'm going with 3 years.

I doubt it, Lynx will have trouble selling it, besides I think some of the problem is Norfolk County Council

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #50 on: March 02, 2018, 08:43:27 PM »
Stagecoach have registered the following routes to operate from April 30

45 Kings Lynn - Walpole St Peter
50 variation Long Sutton - Wisbech - 30 April
56 Wisbech - Benwick -
66 Wisbech Circular
NG1 Sutton Bridge - Spalding - schools
505 variation from 29 April

They should appear in the N&Ps 7 March
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #51 on: March 03, 2018, 12:57:31 AM »
Stagecoach have registered the following routes to operate from April 30

45 Kings Lynn - Walpole St Peter
50 variation Long Sutton - Wisbech - 30 April
56 Wisbech - Benwick -
66 Wisbech Circular
NG1 Sutton Bridge - Spalding - schools
505 variation from 29 April

They should appear in the N&Ps 7 March

Are they under Cambus instead of Go West

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #52 on: March 03, 2018, 07:20:22 AM »
They are under Go West

Lynx of course have not been idling and have registered variations to the Kings Lynn - Hunstanton routes.

Strangely they have registered a variation to 36 but have also put in a new application for it.

They have also put in registrations for new routes 42 43 43A 46 X46 and 49, however no route details are shown.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #53 on: March 03, 2018, 06:27:59 PM »
They are under Go West

Lynx of course have not been idling and have registered variations to the Kings Lynn - Hunstanton routes.

Strangely they have registered a variation to 36 but have also put in a new application for it.

They have also put in registrations for new routes 42 43 43A 46 X46 and 49, however no route details are shown.

Interesting about the 46, could their next target be First

Also one question comes to mind, if they have registered under Go West what would they be known as, be silly if they continue with Stagecoach in Norfolk when they don't run any services
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #55 on: March 08, 2018, 05:28:43 PM »
If 46 only goes as far as Wisbech, Wisbech St Mary/Rings End will have no bus service at all - just a thought.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #56 on: March 08, 2018, 06:05:29 PM »
If 46 only goes as far as Wisbech, Wisbech St Mary/Rings End will have no bus service at all - just a thought.

Rings End can walk round the corner to Shell garage and get the X1, 10 minute walk

The 46 route is finished altogether, Lynn to Wisbech and Wisbech to March
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #57 on: March 08, 2018, 07:05:28 PM »
Not my understanding from Lynx

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #59 on: March 08, 2018, 09:14:53 PM »
Another strange event is on the Stagecoach Cambus listing showing cancellation of routes NG1, 45 and 66 from 30 April.
As there appears to be no registration from Cambus  for them how on earth can they cancel them
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