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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #60 on: March 09, 2018, 08:34:54 AM »
Lynn News also says 46 not a gonner apparently - lol.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #61 on: March 09, 2018, 09:08:25 AM »
Lynn News also says 46 not a gonner apparently - lol.

Yes, as shown in the Norfolk County Council link - open the link and click on "can be downloaded here" from my earlier message the 46 between Lynn and Wisbech is to be operated by Lynx and the section between Wisbech and March is still being looked at by Cambridgeshire County Council

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #62 on: March 09, 2018, 03:10:30 PM »
Yes, as shown in the Norfolk County Council link - open the link and click on "can be downloaded here" from my earlier message the 46 between Lynn and Wisbech is to be operated by Lynx and the section between Wisbech and March is still being looked at by Cambridgeshire County Council

Would that be financially viable for Lynx, it's longer than the X1 and covers most the same route

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #63 on: March 12, 2018, 08:42:23 PM »
New timetables are published on their website, interesting is the Lynn to Fakenham only 2 hourly and nothing on Sunday, I probably expect this to go hourly once they are sorted but the no Sunday service looks the way forward, should have buses available on a Sunday if they have any intention of running them

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #64 on: March 12, 2018, 11:09:44 PM »
Yes, here we go.

I wonder what Skylink and the two who gave him a thank you for the comments, amongst others
 "so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public".

Hourly service down to two hourly and no Sunday service - now who was providing the public service


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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #65 on: March 13, 2018, 05:18:57 PM »
Yes, here we go.

I wonder what Skylink and the two who gave him a thank you for the comments, amongst others
 "so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public".

Hourly service down to two hourly and no Sunday service - now who was providing the public service

At least it's a replacement and for a local opp they didn't have to do anything. Also they still have a service. Sadly you have to make a little money to stay in business.
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #66 on: March 13, 2018, 06:19:39 PM »
New timetables are published on their website, interesting is the Lynn to Fakenham only 2 hourly and nothing on Sunday, I probably expect this to go hourly once they are sorted but the no Sunday service looks the way forward, should have buses available on a Sunday if they have any intention of running them

Lynxbus Service changes from 28th April

Yes, here we go.

I wonder what Skylink and the two who gave him a thank you for the comments, amongst others
 "so well done lynx for running a service for the people and not for massive profits and standing in when a big group brings the corporate brush in and forget the public".

Hourly service down to two hourly and no Sunday service - now who was providing the public service

I think 'was' is the key word here. NG when independent, and in the early (stand-alone) days of Stagecoach's ownership, were a much-loved, much-respected company.

Trawl back through the Stagecoach Norfolk boards and see the way that members felt about the way the operation was going under the auspices of Cowley Road.

At least it's a replacement and for a local opp they didn't have to do anything. Also they still have a service. Sadly you have to make a little money to stay in business.

I'd be surprised if a Sunday King's Lynn to Fakenham route would be profitable. It's hardly a tourist route like King's Lynn to Hunstanton and Wells-next-the-Sea.

And where are Stagecoach's Sunday Services between Cambridge - Royston - Ely - Newmarket - Bury St Edmunds?

It's becoming increasingly obvious that the de-regulated model for provision of bus services (competition in the market) is no longer serving the interests of the travelling public (if it ever did). Franchising (competition for the market) could be the key to the revival of bus usage.

Whippet's MD, Charlie Hamilton, is in favour of franchising – indeed has lobbied the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority mayor, James Palmer, to introduce it.

Stagecoach's Andy Campbell is solidly against (His own view, or orders from Perth?) pointing to the expense of TfL's operations.

Whenever Andy Campbell shows his A4 photo of TfL's HQ as an argument against Bus Franchising, I'm tempted to respond with photos of Stagecoach's co-founder AnnieGloag's two castles. But that would be a cheap jibe, wouldn't it? So would photos of the former Southdown Bognor Regis bus station and the Hants & Dorset Southampton bus station.

For a mixed urban-rural area such as Cambridgeshire and Peterborough, the Jersey model would offer a better guide than TfL.

Jersey model of bus franchising – HCT Group
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #67 on: March 14, 2018, 09:08:40 AM »
It's becoming increasingly obvious that the de-regulated model for provision of bus services (competition in the market) is no longer serving the interests of the travelling public (if it ever did). Franchising (competition for the market) could be the key to the revival of bus usage.

Whippet's MD, Charlie Hamilton, is in favour of franchising – indeed has lobbied the Cambridgeshire and Peterborough Combined Authority mayor, James Palmer, to introduce it.

Stagecoach's Andy Campbell is solidly against (His own view, or orders from Perth?) pointing to the expense of TfL's operations.

Whenever Andy Campbell shows his A4 photo of TfL's HQ as an argument against Bus Franchising, I'm tempted to respond with photos of Stagecoach's co-founder AnnieGloag's two castles. But that would be a cheap jibe, wouldn't it? So would photos of the former Southdown Bognor Regis bus station and the Hants & Dorset Southampton bus station.

For a mixed urban-rural area such as Cambridgeshire and Peterborough, the Jersey model would offer a better guide than TfL.

Jersey model of bus franchising – HCT Group
Whippet would be lobbying for franchising, they are owned by a foreign multi-national whose entire business model elsewhere is in a contracted/franchising environment and given their recent commercial service cutbacks they don't appear to be comfortable in the current environment and bought the company on the assumption that franchising/contracting would be implemented.  Stagecoach likewise are holding a position that reflects the particular strengths and preferences of their owning group towards a deregulated model.

London is not the great panacea, it is currently facing financial issues (the bus operations and losing millions of pounds and TfLs funding is facing a massive cut) and passenger numbers are currently dropping as fast as many other places.  HCT have been making great claims for their management of the Jersey contract but to do so they have been talking down the previous operator Connex who ran the services under a contract to the Jersey government just as HCT do now, as with the deregulated market it isn't so much the market model but in the quality of the operator involved (& with contracting the quality of the contract specified by the council, and British government at all levels have shown continued & sustained incompetence when it comes to writing & specifying contracts like this).

Franchising has its place but is only really a realistic if the local authority has extra money to invest in the network otherwise it really offers nothing more than the current system than less flexibility and slower reaction to changes but with extra costs as the council will by necessity need to increase staffing in specialist areas (or hiring consultants) duplicating staff functions that the bus operators will also have.  Currently Shire councils such as you suggest would be better off introducing franchising are currently cutting any non-core funding and are seriously running out of money, Northamptonshire are the latest to announce they are withdrawing all supported bus services (from July) having effectively run out of money last month.  Currently no local authorities have the money to properly pay for the set-up costs of such a scheme much less to provide the on-going funding to offer the improvements that are claimed for the system, and forget the claimed profits the industry makes because they really don't most are barely making any (most operators including major groups such as First are making less than 5% margins and that is before you include ongoing investment in equipment) and even the best (of which Stagecoach subsidiaries are a large component) barely make double-figures.  These are the sort of returns that would in most other industries be seen as a systematic issue that needed to be fixed and was unsustainable, the rail operators who rarely get above 3% profit margin is one of the few I know of who do even worse.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #68 on: March 15, 2018, 03:30:57 PM »
Ref : The Stagecoach Route 46 and duplication of the First X1, let us look at the route :-

Kings Lynn to South Lynn, Saddlebow, Wiggenhall, Tilney cum Islington, Tilney St Lawrence - served by 46 but no X1s

then Terrington St John, Walpole Highway, Walton Highway served by 46 but half hourly  X1s morphed into  hourly XLs an, d if Your Local Paper is to be believed, the St Johns native passengers are most unhappy!

then West Walton - served only by the 46 and larger than Walpole St Peter which is still to be served by the other company. Lynx already in here doing excellent job on two Marshland school buses.

Walsoken - only 46 if you live up Walton Road

and so to Wisbech

After Wisbech, but in Cambs now, Wisbech St Mary is 46 only as is Rings End. The idea Rings End folk can toddle round the corner and catch an XL is wishfull thinking as most people I know look to March rather than Wisbech or Peterborough.

So there are passengers all down the route waiting. All it needs is a cute RED bus  company to retime the 46 to run 30 minutes away from the XLs on the core part and perfection is achieved for all and sundry! Anyone know of such a cute savvy RED bus company?

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #69 on: March 15, 2018, 05:44:34 PM »
Taken from.the Stagecoach website. Are they not chuckling in the x29 between Lynn and Fakenham now ??

Service Changes - Norfolk - 3 April 2018
13 Mar 2018 to 05 May 2018
From Tuesday 3rd April 2018, the X29 will no longer operate between Fakenham and Norwich. This section of route will be provided by First (https://www.firstgroup.com/norfolk-suffolk/news-and-service-updates/news). Existing scholars tickets will be accepted by First.

 

Between King’s Lynn and Fakenham the timetable will remain unchanged.
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #70 on: March 15, 2018, 06:32:34 PM »
Taken from.the Stagecoach website. Are they not chuckling in the x29 between Lynn and Fakenham now ??

Service Changes - Norfolk - 3 April 2018
13 Mar 2018 to 05 May 2018
From Tuesday 3rd April 2018, the X29 will no longer operate between Fakenham and Norwich. This section of route will be provided by First (https://www.firstgroup.com/norfolk-suffolk/news-and-service-updates/news). Existing scholars tickets will be accepted by First.

 

Between King’s Lynn and Fakenham the timetable will remain unchanged.

Looks like the Fakenham to Norwich section will be run from 3rd April not Stagecoach, they will continue the Kings Lynn section until 28th when Lynx will take over

Its not looking good in terms of cost, First alone want £4.80 return for Fakenham to Norwich if Lynx want more than £1 return for their section it could be unviable, I will take the car instead


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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #71 on: March 22, 2018, 11:12:34 PM »
Just thought I would add this, new times and services West Norfolk Transport now operate from 29th April

https://www.wnct.co.uk/bus-services/go-to-town-from-29-04-18/

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #72 on: March 23, 2018, 07:37:38 PM »
Anyone know what type of vehicles will be used on the King's Lynn town services?

I am only familiar with the Sprinters that I have seen on the rural runs to Docking etc.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #73 on: March 27, 2018, 09:50:40 AM »
The ex Connex guys in North Norfolk aka Lynx new what they were up to......

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #74 on: March 27, 2018, 07:59:06 PM »
Anyone know what type of vehicles will be used on the King's Lynn town services?

I am only familiar with the Sprinters that I have seen on the rural runs to Docking etc.

David

In the EDP they it was said they have spent £1m on the new venture and that includes 9 new buses and a new yard

Its a tricky one because the town services they have taken over they could get away with a sprinter, hence why Lynx hasn't took them on, however when Stagecoach announced withdrawal they did initially say they were looking at buying some Solos, whether that's still the case or not I don't know but one thing is certain £1m won't buy 9 brand new ones as they retail around £125k to £150k each depending who is buying them

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2018, 09:22:38 PM »
The WNCT press news shows 7 new and 2 older vehicles:

"The fund has been put together in order to buy a new depot, offices and maintenance area at Old Meadow Road, Hardwick, plus nine full size buses, all of which will be fully accessible, and all but two of which will have ’18 plate registrations and should be delivered from their British builders in time for the launch date."  That would reduce the cost a bit but buying a depot is surely not cheap.  Did it used to belong to someone else in transport? 

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #76 on: March 28, 2018, 12:22:38 AM »
The WNCT press news shows 7 new and 2 older vehicles:

"The fund has been put together in order to buy a new depot, offices and maintenance area at Old Meadow Road, Hardwick, plus nine full size buses, all of which will be fully accessible, and all but two of which will have ’18 plate registrations and should be delivered from their British builders in time for the launch date."  That would reduce the cost a bit but buying a depot is surely not cheap.  Did it used to belong to someone else in transport?


Has anyone noted that one of the directors of WNCT is a Mr Benjamin Colson.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #77 on: March 28, 2018, 07:37:16 PM »
Certainly gives confidence!

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #78 on: March 28, 2018, 08:22:24 PM »
Good evening, all.

I’m not criticising, because nothing is really off-topic, but at some point, shortly, we will need to start a couple of entirely new threads under the independent operators board:

  • Lynx (Coastal Red) happenings 2018
  • West Norfolk Community Transport happenings 2018

At the moment, as most of this discussion is of which Stagecoach in Norfolk services are been retained, which are being replaced by Lynx, and which by WNCT, this seems the best thread.

But maybe details of vehicle acquisitions by Lynx or by WNCT would be more appropriately posted on new threads.

Feel free to start these off whenever you like, folks.
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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #79 on: April 03, 2018, 10:46:23 PM »
It always assumed that the Coasthopper Enviro 200MMC could not be run east of Wells.
Today one was in service east of Cley Next the Sea


The route 505 timetables are shown as Stagecoach East

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #80 on: April 03, 2018, 11:26:59 PM »
It always assumed that the Coasthopper Enviro 200MMC could not be run east of Wells.
Today one was in service east of Cley Next the Sea


The route 505 timetables are shown as Stagecoach East

The MMC200s have been known to run through to Cromer but not very often, only when they don't have another bus

Its tight on Stiffkey Bridge and through Cley, if they don't meet any cars coming the other way and/or minimal cars parked in Cley they get through if not it takes a while whilst they shunt around

They have sent a Enviro 300 through before, I did upload a picture of it at Sheringham the driver said they shouldnt have sent that through

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #81 on: April 05, 2018, 11:31:39 PM »
Route 46 March to Wisbech to be operated by Stagecoach until at least August

http://www.wisbechstandard.co.uk/news/stagecoach-bus-service-saved-1-5465378

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #82 on: April 06, 2018, 07:27:38 PM »
Just seen Enviro 400 on the 18:35 ex Fakenham to Wells, went to Wells to get a photo only to see MMC200 on the 19:05 to Fakenham, just as I was driving away the E400 turned up at Buttlands

Strange working but does anyone know if its a daily working

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #83 on: April 07, 2018, 05:23:16 PM »
As we travelled back from Glasgow Uni today, my daughter and I were pleased to see Trident 17787 in Norfolk Green colours crossing Sutton Bridge at 15.30 on a 505 to Spalding.

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #84 on: April 08, 2018, 10:12:08 AM »
As we travelled back from Glasgow Uni today, my daughter and I were pleased to see Trident 17787 in Norfolk Green colours crossing Sutton Bridge at 15.30 on a 505 to Spalding.

Not up to date on liveries but thought everything was now in Stagecoach livery.

All the services to be operated from Long Sutton are registered under Go West Travel which operated as Norfolk Green.


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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #85 on: April 08, 2018, 10:30:20 AM »
Just been informed that in late 2017, 177787 was in the Stagecoach themed Norfolk Green livery.

That is with the green swirls at the back and not original Norfolk Green.

Perhaps ChiltonRover could confirm this.


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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #86 on: April 08, 2018, 12:06:00 PM »
Just been informed that in late 2017, 177787 was in the Stagecoach themed Norfolk Green livery.

That is with the green swirls at the back and not original Norfolk Green.

Perhaps ChiltonRover could confirm this.

It is the Stagecoach varient, I think that is the only one left now if 17786 isn't still on the road

The remaining East Lancs has gone into corporate colours, Kermit has been withdrawn along with the LV52 HHP and LV52 HHR have been withdrawn

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #87 on: April 08, 2018, 05:08:36 PM »
Just testing that I can post pictures. This was the scene in Kings Lynn bus station
on Thursday when one of the ex Peterborough E400s had failed.


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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #88 on: April 08, 2018, 05:49:59 PM »
Charlie's have been recovering two buses a day for a long time, if there is anybody sorry to see Slavecoach go it will be them

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Re: Stagecoach Norfolk Finished
« Reply #89 on: April 08, 2018, 09:33:47 PM »
Went to Baytree at Spalding on Tuesday last and noted unidentified Trident being put on suspended tow by possibly the same vehicle at the Long Sutton BP garage roundabout at 13.15 hrs.