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July 2018 changes
« on: June 11, 2018, 05:48:58 PM »
Now... I was tidying up some updates for the XC series of guides earlier today. When trying to get a "new" 331 from Arriva or HCC, nothing was forthcoming... so went to Traveline and typed in Royston... 18 and 331 as expected... but another new service from the end of July... now will this form part of the Busway Service A and continue to/from St Ives or Wyton Camp? Entered by HCC not Cambs CC and there is no evidence of the latter having changed the main files on Traveline... see attached...

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2018, 06:36:39 PM »
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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2018, 09:11:09 PM »
Interesting!  Perhaps the only shame is that they're not starting right now; the Thameslunk chaos would give it the best possible chance of success!

The other shame would be that if it is coming from St Ives, 1ph isn't frequent enough to make up for the inevitable unreliability :-(

I hope it goes well, though!
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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2018, 07:12:02 AM »
Interesting!  Perhaps the only shame is that they're not starting right now; the Thameslunk chaos would give it the best possible chance of success!

The other shame would be that if it is coming from St Ives, 1ph isn't frequent enough to make up for the inevitable unreliability :-(

I hope it goes well, though!
Ironically if you consider Cambridge the core you could seem a similar ThamesLink failure- though of they put sufficient recovery time it wouldn't be a problem.

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2018, 08:24:57 AM »
This change was announced a few weeks back, but it's good to see a timetable - and to have confirmation that it's a replacement for the 26 (earlier reports said, ambiguously, it was "separate from" the 26). The intention is that it operates as a through service to the Biomedical Campus and the "A" route to St Ives. Not sure which of the latter's final destinations will be served (perhaps it will vary). Presumably it will have to be registered separately, simply because of the journey length that results (rather like the "B")? Having said which, I don't recall having seen a registration yet (but may not have been paying attention!).

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2018, 11:27:21 AM »
If these are 'A's running through from or to St. Ives then there is something a little odd about the timetable.  The eastbound buses link quite conveniently with A services running to RAF Wyton with a 3 minute stand time at Trumpington.
Westbound departures, however, are more problematic.  A .56 departure suggests a 7 minute wait after the 'A' arrival from St. Ives but the departures at 10:01 and 11:01 would seem to include a 12 minute wait at Trumpington.  Whilst that might be reasonable for the first, which comes through the city just after 09:00, it would seem that such a wait if the connection is with the 09:35 from St. Ives would not be needed.  This, being the first journey open to OAP passholders from much of the town, is often well loaded but doesn't tend to run late into Cambridge.
It may be that other changes are being planned for the service over the St. Ives, Cambridge section.

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2018, 05:01:40 PM »
I wouldn't get too excited. I assume it's a standalone service and not much different from the 26, apart from the loss of the direct peak services into Cambridge. (And not very cost efficient - matters more to Stagecoach - to use adapted buses on a lengthy regular off-busway route which can be conveniently served by a couple of "normal" buses). I'm sure it's about reducing operating costs, not increasing them! Perhaps the busway services will be renumbered to avoid confusion, they have multiplied a bit topsy down the years. It makes sort of logic for services that emanate from the P&Rs to have alphabetical rather than numerical identifiers, and perhaps start south and work northwards! Bit unusual for Stagecoach East to try and be logical, I'll admit though! :)

Maybe I'm wrong if the No. 26 passengers numbers have grown expotentially, but I'd be pretty surprised given that a few months ago Stagecoach wanted to reduce the service to two hourly, and the "short" terminus at the Park and Ride was a "last ditch" attempt to preserve the hourly frequency. Perhaps Stagecoach though have seen the light and are working towards Park and Ride "hubs" for out of town services, as I think with the BSE/Newmarket service since?

Can't go without my usual final comment though, if you want barmy, come to First Essex! Not Stagecoach.
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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2018, 05:39:37 PM »
‘Notices and Proceedings’ isuue 2327 dated 13 June 2018 contains the following Cambus applications:

Section 3.1 – Registration of New Services

PF0000459/244 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN From: Royston To: Trumpington Park&Ride Via: Name or No.: A1 / A Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 29 July 2018 Other details: Monday to Saturday up to every 60 minutes

PF0000459/247 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN From: Peterborough To: Boston Via: Name or No.: X12 / X12 Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 28 July 2018 End date: 28 August 2018 Other details: One journey in each direction Saturday, Sunday & Bank Holidays

PF0000459/248 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN From: Boston To: Skegness Via: Name or No.: X12A / X12 Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 28 July 2018 End date: 28 August 2018 Other details: One journey in each direction Saturday, Sunday and Bank Holidays


Section 3.3 – Applications to Vary Existing Services

PF0000459/28 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Waterbeach and Addenbrooke's given service number 2 / 2 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/50 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Newmarket given service number 10 / 11 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/49 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Bury St Edmunds given service number 11 / 11 / X11 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/48 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Ely given service number 12 / 12 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/55 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Gt Thurlow and Cambridge given service number 16A / 16A effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/133 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Longstowe given service number 18 / 18 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/184 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between St Ives and Chatteris given service number A / A effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/182 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Trumpington P&R and Godmanchester given service number A_B / A / B effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/183 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Huntingdon and Peterborough given service number B / B effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/202 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Trumpington P&R and Rail Station given service number R / R effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/220 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between St. Ives Park and Ride and Central Cambridge given service number N / N effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.


Section 3.5 – Cancellations of Existing Services

PF0000459/47 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Royston given service number 26 / 26 effective from 29 July 2018.

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2018, 08:11:25 PM »
‘Notices and Proceedings’ isuue 2327 dated 13 June 2018 contains the following Cambus applications:

Section 3.1 – Registration of New Services

PF0000459/244 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN From: Royston To: Trumpington Park&Ride Via: Name or No.: A1 / A Service type: Normal Stopping Effective date: 29 July 2018 Other details: Monday to Saturday up to every 60 minutes

PF0000459/247 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN From: Peterborough To: Boston Via: Name or No.: X12 / X12 Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 28 July 2018 End date: 28 August 2018 Other details: One journey in each direction Saturday, Sunday & Bank Holidays

PF0000459/248 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN From: Boston To: Skegness Via: Name or No.: X12A / X12 Service type: Limited Stop Effective date: 28 July 2018 End date: 28 August 2018 Other details: One journey in each direction Saturday, Sunday and Bank Holidays


Section 3.3 – Applications to Vary Existing Services

PF0000459/28 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Waterbeach and Addenbrooke's given service number 2 / 2 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/50 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Newmarket given service number 10 / 11 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/49 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Bury St Edmunds given service number 11 / 11 / X11 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Route and Timetable.

PF0000459/48 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Ely given service number 12 / 12 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/55 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Gt Thurlow and Cambridge given service number 16A / 16A effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/133 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Longstowe given service number 18 / 18 effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/184 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between St Ives and Chatteris given service number A / A effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/182 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Trumpington P&R and Godmanchester given service number A_B / A / B effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/183 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Huntingdon and Peterborough given service number B / B effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/202 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Trumpington P&R and Rail Station given service number R / R effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.

PF0000459/220 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between St. Ives Park and Ride and Central Cambridge given service number N / N effective from 29 July 2018. To amend Timetable.


Section 3.5 – Cancellations of Existing Services

PF0000459/47 CAMBUS LIMITED, 100 COWLEY ROAD, CAMBRIDGE, CB4 0DN Operating between Cambridge and Royston given service number 26 / 26 effective from 29 July 2018.

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Not doubting this but it hasn't appeared on the VOSA website yet, as I was expecting Notice 2327 to be posted on there this morning. Unlesss you subscribe to it ??

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2018, 10:49:46 PM »
Posting of notices seems to be taking longer in recent weeks.

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2018, 10:52:43 PM »
(And not very cost efficient - matters more to Stagecoach - to use adapted buses on a lengthy regular off-busway route which can be conveniently served by a couple of "normal" buses).

This doesn't seem to matter. One of the Citi 5 turns now seems to have been given over to a Busway vehicle. And the last few times I've been at St Ives P&R during a weekday off-peak there have been 5 or 6 Busway vehicles parked up there out of service. OK, they might need one to collect and deliver Fenstanton drivers , but not all of them. And Madingley Rd P&R regularly hosts another.

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2018, 12:28:30 AM »
I'd be surprised at them calling it an A without making it a through busway service!.

As Suzy remembers I suggested this when they first mooted the cut, as it seemed like the obvious way to preserve the frequency and to potentially make the service more attractive & reliable.  I hope they don't move to using P&R as hubs; the P&Rs aren't reliable enough and the rural services aren't frequent enough for connections to work (they couldn't even reassure people by guaranteeing the connection with "the first P&R leaving Cambridge after 17XX" as often they leave full.

My concern though is do they have spare busway single deckers?  I can't see them investing for the sake of a route they intended to essentially cull at a time they would have thought the slow train was going half hourly so, particularly with the N doing so badly,  I hope they aren't coming from elsewhere.  (And the semi fast is supposed to go half hourly too soon enough, giving Royston 4tph)

I'd also hoped though that we might see them having another go at Busway -  Cambridge North about now.   It now has two fast trains per hour to London,  that actually run, and that happen to be timed in  a way that would work great with a half-hourly N.  Now is the time they could have a go at offering a service from St Ives and two P&R sites to London with a reliable journey time of about 1h30m...

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2018, 05:38:57 AM »
I'd be surprised at them calling it an A without making it a through busway service!.

As Suzy remembers I suggested this when they first mooted the cut, as it seemed like the obvious way to preserve the frequency and to potentially make the service more attractive & reliable.  I hope they don't move to using P&R as hubs; the P&Rs aren't reliable enough and the rural services aren't frequent enough for connections to work (they couldn't even reassure people by guaranteeing the connection with "the first P&R leaving Cambridge after 17XX" as often they leave full.

My concern though is do they have spare busway single deckers?  I can't see them investing for the sake of a route they intended to essentially cull at a time they would have thought the slow train was going half hourly so, particularly with the N doing so badly,  I hope they aren't coming from elsewhere.  (And the semi fast is supposed to go half hourly too soon enough, giving Royston 4tph)

I'd also hoped though that we might see them having another go at Busway -  Cambridge North about now.   It now has two fast trains per hour to London,  that actually run, and that happen to be timed in  a way that would work great with a half-hourly N.  Now is the time they could have a go at offering a service from St Ives and two P&R sites to London with a reliable journey time of about 1h30m...

I assume the spare vehicles come from the N. I too would have thought a St Ives Cambridge North  half hourly service should attract customers with a pretty reliable hourly train service to London.  The N needs to stay on the busway to ensure reliability and keep the vehicle requirement down.

Isn't the current train service to Royston effectively hourly as the semi is followed by the slow each hour?  When they manage to run both of them.  Should go up to 4 an hour in December.

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2018, 11:39:35 AM »
The 26 does already use busway single decks on my last visit (and frequently according to reports) complete with guidewheels. one regular double decker was also in use when i was there a while back.

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2018, 11:50:28 AM »
Isn't the current train service to Royston effectively hourly as the semi is followed by the slow each hour?  When they manage to run both of them.  Should go up to 4 an hour in December.

In theory there are three trains an hour forming a half hourly service;  for intermediate stations there should now be two KX stoppers forming a half hourly service, and for Royston the semi fast Thameslink and one of the stoppers should form a half hourly service.

There should be a second semi fast Thameslink from Dec, and the stoppers should go to Thameslink from next May...

In reality of course the service is less than hourly + an un-timetabled rail replacement bus.
« Last Edit: June 15, 2018, 11:53:07 AM by barryb »

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2018, 05:28:13 PM »
From the HCC website, mention is now made that the service will run Royston - St Ives with some journeys continuing to/from RAF Wyton or Somersham.

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2018, 11:09:43 PM »
I wonder if the apparent change in the timings at Trumpington might be the result of the N being merged into the As?  I never see anyone much getting on or off it at the station, and without it matching up with both arrivals and departures of a particular route or going to St Ives it seems a bit hopeless?  I presume they are committed to using that stretch of the guideway as part of their access agreement, though?

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Re: July 2018 changes
« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 11:08:13 PM »
New N timetable is in traveline (does this link work?)  http://www.travelineeastanglia.org.uk/ea/TTB/EFA01__0000609e_TP.pdf

Still broadly hourly, earlier first journey, almost all journeys start from St Ives, more realistic journey time, better match with the fasts from London (in both directions).  Nice work!

A http://www.travelineeastanglia.org.uk/ea/TTB/EFA01__000040f8_TP.pdf

Urgh - my brain hurts. 

Looks like very bad news for Wyton?  Extra time for non-guideway stretch of route.  Retains the inexplicable Cambridge North Sunday service that's better than the weekday service.



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